t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 1 一直在ftp.net玩，最近想开始转战cash，水平处于fcf那篇文章的2~3之间吧，想请教
前辈们，初次存款多少合适？本人不好赌，也没有职业化倾向，就是平时当个放松，或
许能换点零花钱买点beer什么的...另外不想在这个上面投入太多，估计100NL就是极限
了(当然不是一开始就100NL，可能从5nl开始吧)...so...any suggestion is welcome |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 新人报道~ i have more than 20+ poker rooms on my desktop and play 6 of them right now,
lol.
yeah, we play mostly on FTP, personally i think they got the best software,
and #2 traffic.
our weekly game is for fun, $5.5 small tournament.
here we have freeroll players to sharks like fcf, who plays $5/10NL HU, he
is a full time pro now and swallowed in ~$100K for the first 2 months in
2010 (and per him, feb. was a tough month, hehe) |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 3 自2月20账户清零，deposit $150开打， 严格执行bank roll， 今天统计了一下，rake
back竟然占了18%！
自从读了老大推荐的书， 学习了fcf大侠的经验之谈， 发现自己现在稳定的近乎sick
，每天严格控制， 输了3个buy in就停手或者降级打， 减少variance。
希望能稳定获利bank roll到达$3000， 然后升级NL200。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 4 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
thirtystand (Either fold or raise) 于 (Tue Mar 16 11:55:22 2010, 美东) 提到:
自2月20账户清零，deposit $150开打， 严格执行bank roll， 今天统计了一下，rake
back竟然占了18%！
自从读了老大推荐的书， 学习了fcf大侠的经验之谈， 发现自己现在稳定的近乎sick
，每天严格控制， 输了3个buy in就停手或者降级打， 减少variance。
希望能稳定获利bank roll到达$3000， 然后升级NL200。
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Tue Mar 16 12:49:58 2010, 美东) 提到:
lol, you should read the book crystalszero suggested too, The Poker
Blueprint (pdf).
you're the typ |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 5 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 纪念一下 刚才check rakeback, 发现账户profit+rakeback过了$2700. 这对于我来说是一个重要的数字， 因为这个数字意味着我终于出水了。
2月20号存入$150刀的时候， 清理了一下之前所有的存钱取钱纪律， 发现自去年4月开始玩poker以来net loss -$2700, 其中大部分是NL1000上面输的 (NL600赢了$5000+, NL1000上输了$7000)， 另外一部分是rush poker刚出时试水输的。
从2月20号开始， 开始买书看， 都是fryking2老大推荐的， 都非常有用。 后来看到fcf的文章， 也深受启发。在此深表感谢。
从2月20号开始，风格开始变得稳重， 开始bankroll management，选定NL100 rush poker， 耐心打到66k手。开始认真对待poker这一爱好， 学会了找自己的缺点并针对性的改正。
希望自己不骄不躁， 再接再厉, 顺利升级。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 纪念一下 呵呵，你有一个leak，时间上非常没有纪律，经常看你在不是"正"点的时候玩，比如你
说的凌晨4点什么的，除非你是故意休息好了那时候捕鱼，这样可能并不是在你头脑最
清醒的时候玩，而是有点打哪算哪。
此外，你的前途远大，这话俺以前就说的。升级多快不好说，稳扎稳打，别下个月又回
来哭，哈哈。
要的数字， 因为这个数字意味着我终于出水了。
开始玩poker以来net loss -$2700, 其中大部分是NL1000上面输的 (NL600赢了$5000+,
NL1000上输了$7000)， 另外一部分是rush poker刚出时试水输的。
到fcf的文章， 也深受启发。在此深表感谢。
poker， 耐心打到66k手。开始认真对待poker这一爱好， 学会了找自己的缺点并针对
性的改正。 |
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z****n
发帖数: 1514 | 7 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 纪念一下 请问你是如何check你在不同级别盈亏的数据的？谢谢
要的数字， 因为这个数字意味着我终于出水了。
开始玩poker以来net loss -$2700, 其中大部分是NL1000上面输的 (NL600赢了$5000+,
NL1000上输了$7000)， 另外一部分是rush poker刚出时试水输的。
到fcf的文章， 也深受启发。在此深表感谢。
poker， 耐心打到66k手。开始认真对待poker这一爱好， 学会了找自己的缺点并针对
性的改正。 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 8 The very first hand. FCF 1/2 pot on flop and turn. The opponent takes that
as weak(to steal). Then all in at turn and hit Q at River. It happens many
times to me also. I tend to do that way. But some crazy guys just donot get they are beaten. Now I bet heavy on turn and forget EV there. That is what I say difference between live poker and online.
all in。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 9 fcf 老师的 heads up 是终极目标, hoho |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 hehe, i mean the water is much deeper than you and i think...
even for a beer.
going pro or taking as a job, read fcf's post. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 11 hehe, If I am online, I will hop in.
FCF, you coming? Do not know your id yet. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 55这里最多是个bluff catcher，太弱了，完全不值得。
micro stake真的目标可以设高一点，主要问题其实都是自己的leaks。
fcf的一句话比较让俺开窍，之前俺觉得2009 small stakes (比如100NL, 200NL) best
grinders挺不错的(比如5BB/100，几十万手一年)，结果他老说其实这些人都是因为升
不上去而已。 查了一下，还真是，一尝试升级就给揍得鼻青脸肿。
BB hits pair of 8. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 yes, this is the cruel reality of MTT. you may play 100 of them, and get
nothing. fcf said his friend, who's a tournament guy, spends $50K on MTT buy
-ins every month, imagine that! it's definitely much tougher than most cash
games.
but if you do win one, you win big, like pokeryjj won this game:
http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/entertainment.faq/TexasHoldem/winnings/M.1235983031.X0/finally+win+a+game
it's a small $3.3 re-buy MTTs but already quite tough. the reason i pasted
it here is not for you |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 正常业余玩家(一周玩几次，多桌，非天天上班型)，一年也就是100K手左右，rush多一
点。
1BB/100(1000BB)的话，其实非常有限的收入，加上bonus+rake翻一倍，200NL也就是一
年一万以内。
扑克对于绝大多数人，都是指望不上的，只是娱乐别输光了裤衩而已。
象fcf那样的太凤毛鳞角了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 i tried 100bb full buy-in for a day, it went up and down. i guess i can
handle it but it's not my optimal stack size.
look at fcf's data, of course, he's a very good pro and it's HU game, but
still, i keep wondering why i couldn't set a higher expectation if there's
still room for me to improve in my game.
lot |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 16 Did anyone post some improvemnet process/experience? The only thing I saw
here is from FCF. He is not around anymore. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 High Limit辅导员fearlessdragon访谈录
发表于09-04-16 15:00点, 作者是 chkerstin
今天向大家介绍中文社区新的辅导员, 目前他主要在NL400-NL1000级别游戏. 本周他为
我们中文社区制作了中文社区第一部HU(单挑)-视频. 在本篇专访中, 他讲述了自己的
德州扑克之旅
PokerStrategy: 你好！ 我们非常高兴地欢迎你成为我们PokerStrategy视频制作者！
先给大家介绍一下你自己吧。
fearlessdragon：大家好， 我很高兴能成为PokerStrategy的视频制作者。我叫Jason
, 现在在美国生活。我一直就喜欢各种打牌的游戏， 几年前第一次接触到Taxas
Holdem就让我很感兴趣。因为附近没有赌场， 这些年我基本都是在网上打牌， 基本上
所有的No Limit Taxas Holdem我都玩过， 从SNG, MTT, Full Ring, 6max 到现在主要
玩的HU.
PokerStrategy: 作为PokerStrategy中文社区的高级别视频制作者（NL400+）你将会给
我们带来什么惊 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 18 who is PokerStrategy? What is the link?
Is he Jason Cheng? I saw one FTP id last weekend and FTOP main event. He
finished decently around 25th. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 "我几年前开始打牌， 最早是同事叫我玩的， 先是玩ｐｌａｙ ｍ
ｏｎｅｙ ＭＴＴ， 后来网站给了我１０块钱， 我玩了几个＄２ ＳＮＧ， 赢到２
５块， 开始玩＄５ ＳＮＧ，当时我以为不可能连输５盘，错！！！ 很快我就输光
了。我接下来几个星期都没有玩， 直到我在电视上看到Chris Moneymaker赢了2003年
的WSOP， 我开始到网上找一些Poker的资料， 才发现我原来根本不会玩牌，而且明
白了资金管理的重要性。当时打牌完全是娱乐， 只打一张桌子，在$10上的SNG 玩了很
久。后来无意中接触到了2+2论坛， 才开始真正认识到打牌中原来有这么多的技巧，
然后我买了一些书， 又在网上看了很多好的文章， 这才真正开始打牌。在SNG上我玩
到了60-110的级别以后， 开始觉得很难提高， SNG到底太简单， 到了比较高的级别，
每个走上都是一堆熟人， 那时我玩9人桌， 经常一个桌上连我在内6-7人都是regular
, 虽然还是能赢， 但ROI都很低了。所以我决定去玩现金桌， 刚开始玩的时候， 我还
是像SNG那样玩， 实在是太紧了，后来看了几集High Stake Poker， |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 21 Heads up really improve your card reading skill. I play a lot of heads up
SNG nowadays, it's pretty fun and create some stable winnings unlike MTT.
But I cant really play multi-table heads up yet. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 22 HU cash is much tougher.
Once I won 500 bucks from 0.25/0.5NL around 3 days, but lost that 500bucks
around 3 hours HU (.25/.5 HU)
Nowadays, i have a better understanding of HU. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 23 Let's play HU sometime then.
I can play w/ you at weekend. 10$ buy-in, toubo or not. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 damn, must have won at least $3K+ tonight... read like god. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 25 I SEE HE ON 7/8 TABLE AND AT THE TIME I CHECK ALLL THE TABLES HAVE HIMSELF.
WILL CHECK NEXT TIME. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 he has very good read and a lot of patience.
normally he's like waiting for rabbits at the tree, lol, some ppl play with
him for 2/4 or 3/6NL at most.
one 3/6NL HU table i watched briefly yesterday, he got about $1300 and
another guy $1500... he just wiped out the guy like god. it went through
like small punches here and there, let the guy lose patience, then a big
punch... then small punches... then bait ... then one final punch, all over.
another 3/6NL HU, he wiped out a guy for about $600. th |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 27 lol.. I don't remember much about the stuff you saw, I was concentrate on
one 2/4 table (maybe not on fulltilt, can't quite remember) where we were
400bb deep for a while, and opponent was very aggressive, lots of raise/
reraise after flop, he was a thinking player, a lot of stuff to consider in
that match. I quit all tables soon after I was done with that match (I lost
a few buyin to him before, after this match, I am up a few buyin ^_^) |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 you play HU like boxing, which you control the pace very well.
and a lot of hands, i have absolutely no idea where you stand, until the
showdown, which actually makes me see the huge skill difference, and with a
little sigh, because i guess i can at least read some other games better.
in
lost |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 29 Let's have HU tourey once a while. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 is there 10c 25c HU cash game? I will play you if you want. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 31 lol
you will lose your entire bankroll. :)
Plus, 10c/25c Hu 's rake is too high, no one can benefit from the game. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 32 I can play HU. Prefer tourney format so the rake is limited.
I just start to try out lately. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 lose my entire bank roll to summerbrook or rake?
I doubt either one of them will happen.
Besides, I never blame rake when I can not win. I blame myself not to have
enough edge. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 34 I believe he means loosing to me. hahaha |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 This is indeed very funny. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 36 the rake is definitely too high. If you play, winner will get 20 bucks, but
loser will cost 100 bucks, the difference of cost is the rake.
2-2.5 hours of 2 tabling means 100 $ rake. I do not think you can beat the
rake. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 37 rake at 50nl hu is about 10bb/100, judge for yourself if you can beat it,
lower stake would have even bigger rake%. Best player (very very best
player, I mean durrrr caliber player, although against very bad player,
someone like me could probably win just as effective as durrrr would be) can
beat very bad opponent for maybe 50bb/100 without considering rake. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 38 you are right.
But one problem is that those fishes will not play very long, they will quit
after 1 or 2 buyin lossees, the session is very very short.
However, if you encounter a regular, you will play a ton of hands,
eventually both of you will lose money or barely win.
My experience is that you need play very very loose and aggressive in
position, however, need play tight and passive out of position(A5o-a3o, 22-
55 is not very good defensive hands.) One leak of me is that I like to play tight |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 Microstake cash game all have heavy rakes. it is true for FR too. Playing
NL 25. Everyweek we got rackback 40$ at least. 22% rack back, so we got raked 181$
every week. that is at least 3bb/100 hand. Of course you get to fold a lot
of hands, if your vpip is 16 8, so you in fact only play 1/8th of the hands.
HU, you are playing almost every hand or at least 50% of the hands? so if
you think about it, 10bb/100hand is really not too much worse than FR..
can |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 FTP made a right decision to give addicted me rakeback after struggling back
and forth, because i told them last year i'd not play any cash game
otherwise.
yesterday alone, i generated $87 in rake for them during up down up down up
swings, lol.
raked 181$
lot
hands. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 41 PS is more honest. They have no 50NL HU cash games, since the rake is too
high.
back
up |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 42 It is not proper bankroll management, far from it. He mentioned that in the blog as well.
I don't know what FCF is trying to achieve here anymore. If he want to
prove that he can make it to 30k from 1k, it is really not necessary. I do
not think anyone have a doubt that he could do it. ^_^
Furgsono did 1$->10k with a very proper bankroll management. He was not
trying to show that he could do it to make it to 10k. He was just showing
that you could do it with a proper bank roll management which |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 43 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这手牌挺酷 I guess the opponent's river reraise is fine. His hand has no show down
value, cannot beat a bluff, but may make a bluff hand laydown.
However, at the same time, his river reraise does not make sense, only queen
will play that way(,any ace high, king high, one pair will just call down)
the range is too narrow. And even he has queen, he probably will bet the
turn.
In this scenario, the opponent's reraise will do exact the trick, make king high fold. To be honest, fcf will not fold any pair, or an |
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s*******y
发帖数: 167 | 46 我不相信这能够read出来，绝对意气用事，运气成分大 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 47 maybe they played against each other before and have some history |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 the key is to shove all in river with 2/3 of real hand and 1/3 of bluffs. if
every shove is bluff but value bet with real hand, not only it is -EV long
run, but also it is too easy to read... 说到底还是balancing your range. it will make it a lot harder for calling bluff to be profitable. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 50 This guy likes to slow play and bluff raise
he check raised flop, bet out turn smallish, and shoved river over pot
since he doesnot check raise draw and top pair usually, I don't see myself
losing that often here, I probably call with a strong a high too, but that's
a little risky as he may have a random 5 |
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