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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 "This guy likes to slow play and bluff raise"
recipe for disaster if making this a regular play. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 3 very similar to the hand fcf posted before.
15.***** Hand History for Game 15350102405 ***** (Full Tilt)
$10000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, October 15, 03:02:40 ET 2009
Table New York (heads up) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: jungleman12 ( $10939.00 USD )
Seat 2: Spirit Rock ( $22244.50 USD )
jungleman12 posts small blind [$50.00 USD].
Spirit Rock posts big blind [$100.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jungleman12 [ 2h Ac ]
jungleman12 raises [$250.00 USD]
Spirit Rock |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 fcf, if you play this way, it will bring u huge swings, but I guess that is necessary. Against such aggro, you have to adjust.
Both of you get too far with those kinds of weak hands.
But, nice read
head
anything |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 5 jungleman 不是作弊就是有钱任性？ fcf大侠竟然推崇这种人。。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 你可以问问fcf how he run 1k above EV in his graph for a period of time.. 赫
赫 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 i won't worry about it at all, tons of big sharks like fcf still play there,
lol.
i just want to get some extra, haha. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 why would anyone go in and play fcf HU on ftp or pokerstar. Do they not see
his record? or too many people just want to lose? In a full ring game,
you sometime have to sit beside a shark to be able to play with a fish, but
HU, you always have a choice... So puzzling.. Poker lesson one: table selection. it is 100 times more important in a HU game..
这世界上真是设麽样的鱼都有, 所以shark们才能打牌为生啊。。。要是我， 我们打不过， 还躲不过吗？ 赫赫。。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 fcf must have a lot of maja.
in high stake cash game, every one is shark.
see
but
selection. it is 100 times more important in a HU game..
不过， 还躲不过吗？ 赫赫。。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 i am guessing fcf only has 1 ftp accout? this does not really answer my question... |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 11 多谢fcf老师，您说的这个是NL100+ HU吧？我现在fullring都晃的厉害，决定重新从头
开始了。不到50k hand不调级别 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 i have a question for fcf. at what level did you start to get training and coaching?
You mentioned in << 扑克玩家的成长>> that someone can beat the level up to NL200 by learning themselves and practice, which I tend to agree so far up to NL50. Why should anyone spend 50$ a month which is pretty significant for a micro-stake grinder or a beginner from china on this website?
if you want to make the game more popular in china and help new beginners without hoping to make a profit, i would truly admire, b |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 thanks for sharing your own path to be a big winner. Never watched any
video myself. but i bet it is very useful for me to move above and beyond. Online forum is very useful too. but like you said, you have to find gold in the garbage.
I was actually considering join card runner myself.
but i honestly have my doubts on how much this type of paid site can help a beginner or a microstake grinder. watching fcf and bigmao play will not help you playing NL 50 or 10$ SNGs even though 广告效应不错. All th |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 don't get stressed by having to keep up all days green, nobody can, hehe.
whenever i have a bad day, i just go to read fcf's blog, even he has big
down days too.
check-raise is still a good singal for strong hands at these stakes,
especially turn check-raise. as for flush board, we should not always be in
the mindset of protecting against draws (by betting out first) for "free"
cards, after all, flush draw is only one possibility.
full house over full house? everyone goes broke there.
full hous |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 hehe, it's not realistic for us, even fcf's 1K to 30K is a miracle. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 昨天最后有点tilt了 (guess I am only human)。 another 2 buy in under ev... 输
了2个buy-in, 1 个buy-in 是最后tilt的时候输的, 其实输得不多,不过长期run bad, 有点受不了了.
Some agro donk 4 bet me 46Xbb from big blind with AQo on my 16Xbb 3 bet. I reshoved all in 120bb+ with KK (it was easiest shove for me based on his stats). He actually
hestited (what a surprise) before calling. I knew my hand was good. But
hands never holds when you are on a bad streak.
今天看见fcf 的blog, 他 downswing 16个buy in 1k hand on NL100 and NL 200 , 我
也就心平了。。看来我要听 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 呵呵，RAKE只是咱们小玩家(其实俺们就是fish)的一部分利润来源而已，问问fcf这样
的大牛，人家才不在乎这个呢。
本来就是个零和游戏，统计数据92%玩家都是长期输家，只是75%的玩家认为自己比剩下
的75%玩得好而已。fish要死只是时间问题，网站要指望玩花招，尽可能剥削利润，恐怕
指望不上。
live一样也抽头，股市也收交易费，要怀疑有猫腻的话，都可以不玩了。
不是没了客源?该输的不输,该赢的不赢,才是FTP利益最大化 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 呵呵，不是自相矛盾么，一边说FTP搞鬼，一边说自己在FTP HU如何牛。
你去问问durrr怎么从$100发家的，问问gboro780怎么在FTP，PS同样优秀的战绩，最差
，问问fcf人家的看法。
俺前面就说了，俺们就是fish，在俺们下面可能还有点小虾米可吃，大家进步都很快，
俺们不提高就是小虾米。不承认自己水平不够，拿badbeats, rigged来遮羞，你去2+2
看看，这样的玩家成千上万，live poker room外面抽烟的那一群，个个都跟祥林嫂似
的骂牌怪，骂对手驴...就很少听见有人说，我几手关键的牌打错了，错在哪，可能
怎么打更好，我的水平在这个级别还是不行...玩扑克的人ego都太过了，自己还不知道。
实话实说，你太过于自信了，也偏激了。不过还是那句话，做你有信心的事情，不信
FTP，不信online对具体个人未必是坏事，祝你live赢钱，呵呵。
A80
常出现就是有问题. |
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s*y
发帖数: 124 | 19 I see what you are saying. A lot of players at NL25 are passive. Reading
fcf's post, the variance becomes larger as the blinds goes higher...
sorts
note which I have them as aggressive.. ouch... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 靠, 这周末赢了多少?
Totally agree, like Ed Miller said, it is not the chips in the pot that scares people, it is what is left behind in your stack and what they can potentially lose. Additionally, to achieve higher win rate, deep stack play is essential. FCF will never be able to achieve 30bb/100 hand win rate playing 60bb stack. It also makes you a better poker player and learn to push your edge to the fullest. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 21 一点点，革命尚未成功，同志仍需努力。。。LOL
scares people, it is what is left behind in your stack and what they can
potentially lose. Additionally, to achieve higher win rate, deep stack play
is essential. FCF will never be able to achieve 30bb/100 hand win rate
playing 60bb stack. It also makes you a better poker player and learn to
push your edge to the fullest. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 亲爱的被德州抓人抓进来的牢友们：
先说句大实话，其实这版上的已知常客，除了fcf以外，俺们其实都有一个响亮的名字
，DONK!
作为75%骄傲的一份子，尽管俺们都觉得另外的75%扑克玩家很烂，但其实俺们都是不折
不扣的学徒，在黑暗中摸索再摸索，失败中寻找绝望，在绝望中寻找光亮。
很遗憾，为什么很多本来可以深入研究的牌谱，最后都要你黑我白，都要不欢而散的轮
回？问世间，情为何物？俺们毛驴之间的滚烫的阶级大爱难道总要在争论中消失无踪？
走出狭隘的小我，多几句i like the bet on the flop，but i'd rather shove on
turn, because 1,2,3... or i played a hand like this, did i make a mistake
here and there? ...俺们也许永远不会达成真正一致，如果真有那么一天，扑克真的
没法玩了，自己和自己的左右互搏，edge无穷接近零。但是在flop, turn, river的林
林总总局面中，俺们或“对”或“错”总能提供另一种思路。你认为对的，学，认为
错的，也笑纳，这可能代 |
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c***a
发帖数: 309 | 23 另外强烈推荐fcf大虾写的“扑克玩家的成长”，真的写的非常好。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 Hi, dch1010,
I am playing on FTP. As you guys have already known, there are some
bonus on FTP this month.
About the strategies, I guess the most important is to study the
situation. Sometimes, I need to fold AQ, sometimes, I need to go allin with
27o.
If FCF's training site were set up, I will try to join them and check
if they have some low-stake MTT trainer position available.
Good luck, Jim
that |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 goes, 你不要过分谦虚就是骄傲。。。 我感觉最近我都跟不上你的步伐了。很惭愧啊。。 还是我follow 你吧... |
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c******n
发帖数: 15 | 26 这个应该是08以前的状态了，现在ps/ftp nl200的水平绝对比当时的nl400高。
6max/fr,再笨的人打1million手以后，你也很难从他身上盈利很快，你可以查查现在
regular的比例。
多数 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 yeah, 100BB buy-in, for short, 200NL. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 29 恩，不升的话是没啥意思。NL 50 赢的钱很鸡肋。不过，玩 RUSH NL200 的话，感觉 player
pool 太小。怕没有足够的鱼 support。
过几个月，弄个有rakeback 的账号就升 100NL.有rakeback 的话，基本没什么亏钱的
风险了。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 30 RUSH NL 200 才 300左右，很多还都是 multi-table 的 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 what! you don't have rakeback? man, stop playing cash games TODAY until
opening a new account with it.
i figure we play about the same amount of rush NL50 every month, you're "
losing" about $300.
as for NL200, i watched some regular (non-rush) fullring games last night,
the player pool there is not big either, about 30 tables. but a lot of them
are multi-tabling, like one guy (rlawod, from south korea) who used to play
regular 50NL with me last year, now he's playing 10 tables at 200NL.
unless |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 没有rake back 的损失...
fryking 比我更多.. 我这只是今年的..
不过可以放心大胆用ftp points.. 差别应该比这小多了...
player |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 33 现在我就等 FTP points 换个LCD TV 和 year end bonus 了。NL 50 对我这样没
rakeback 的太鸡肋了。到年底准备借朋友的ID 开个新的account。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 have you contacted them? push hard for your existing account, they might
give it to you with your volume.
i generated $7K+ in rake for them in rush alone this year, yours should be
close, they love you. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 如果旧帐户要加rakeback, 要先把ftp point 花了.. 否则就亏了, 之后就会扣你
rakeback了...一直不能用, 直到你再也不玩了... |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 36 I did try to contact them, wrote a lot of emails already in March. They say
I already associated with an affiliat. Thus, they cant move me to
raketheback because they have the agreement with affiliats. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 don't stop harrassing them, we all got emails like this before until we
finally got it, lol.
say |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 30$? it is only 14$. 没说after flop 肯定要c bet 啊... 这个squeeze本身如果
button steal rate 和fold to 3 bet rate 都够高, 就是正ev 的.. 正ev, 当然有好好利用...
其实这招是从fcf 那里学来的.. 赫赫... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 再quote 一段fcf 的精彩语录..
我们玩牌都想要赢，这是人的本性。但打牌和下棋不一样，下棋的时候，你下了一步好棋，结果一定是好的。 打牌的时候，经常会有正确的决定带来了不好的结果。 而错误的决定可能会带来好的结果。 运气好当然是好的，但对新手来说， 刚开始的好运可能导致你最终的失败。 心理学中讲道，大部分人学习一样东西都经过以下几个步骤
1. Unconsciously Incompetent (无意识 的 无知), 新手知道一些游戏规则，
但不明白为什么自己只玩大对子，对手好像什么牌都玩 （78s, TQs, 86o）, 可最好居
然还是自己输得多。
2. Consciously Incompetent (有意识 的 无知)，看过一点书了， 知道了
position, stack size 什么的也挺重要， 开始明白自己其实不会玩。可大部分牌还是
不知道怎么玩。
3. Consciously Competent (有意识 的 了解)， 你开始知道什么时候你应该
continuation bet, 知道什么时候你应该 rerais |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 再来一段fcf 的.. 最后那条有点搞笑,班上好象很多wow 高手吧?
"Poker 我认为最主要的天赋有以下几点
１） 逻辑思维能力， 打牌的时候你需要不停的分析现在的情况。 从对方的各种行
为中找出对方的逻辑， 从而得到你想要的信息。 这方面人与人之间的确是有差别
的， 福尔莫斯不是人人都能当的。
２） 数学和概率方面的能力， 这方面当然有人学的快，有人学的慢。但总的来说，
ｐｏｋｅｒ所需的数学和概率都不是很难， 只要肯花功夫， 人人都能掌握。最终
的差别在于反应和计算速度， 速度快的可以多玩几张桌子。
３） 找规律的能力， 打牌时你要想赢对方， 就要找到对方行为中的规律。 在网
上玩主要是要在对方的ｂｅｔｔｉｎｇ ｐａｔｔｅｒｎ， ｐｏｓｉｔｉｏｎ， ｔ
ｉｍｉｎｇ中找。如果是现场的话，那就更多了。
４） 心理分析能力， 如果你和一个陌生人接触一下就能知道对方是什么样的人， 那你就是这方面的高手了。
５） 你的反应速度和快速而准确点击鼠标的能力。 ｗａｒｃｒａｆｔ 的高手这方
面都很强。" |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 wow, it'll be super nice to have guru come with us!
guys, i'm collecting instruction fees on behalf of fcf now, lol. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 sure, keep this post up, i guess we're very likely to make it.
as for hotel, fcf prefers borgata so far, goes can get us cheaper motel, we'
ll keep options open.
as for date, tentatively 12/3 (fri.) to 12/5 (sun.), longer or shorter is ok. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 44 I am open to any hotel. Actually the price does not matter to me, thought
you guys are looking for a free one so I picked the cheapest from the system
. Just want to group together and share some thoughts and experience.
And FCF joins, should be fun!
Suggest we bring our laptop and find some time(morning? maybe?) so we each
of us play for half an hour(provided you want), and rest of other can
comment and discuss. Should be very interesting and helpful for our future
game.
we'
ok. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 欢迎新人，不过学习工作要紧，俺们这是第二年搞了，主要是图个乐子而已，有fcf职
业高手参加更高潮，呵呵。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Goes 你丫赶快订机票，fcf给你上一课，你能升3级。
in
play |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 47 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Goes LOL... I hope fcf can give us some tips...
升3级, in my dream. acturally, I dare only dream to 升1级. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 看来我这个 windstor mm 有优先权和fcf 促膝夜谈... lol |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 49 yeah, i like ballys for a few reasons:
1) rooms are ok, not as good as borgata, but price/comfort ratio is good;
2) right in the middle of boardwalk, we can either play there or walk to
caesars and other casinos easily. safer in night because we don't have to go
outside carrying cash;
3) good food, ballys and caesars both have decent chinese food.
borgata has more tables (70+) for sure and like fcf said, more action if
that's what you're looking for. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 50 运气很多时间并不体现在ev 里
转一个fcf 的东西.. 说得很对..
"有很多牌是运气好你可能自己根本不知道或没有注意到， 比如
* 你bluff的时候正好出了好的bluff card， board， 对手要bluff时正好board,
card 不好
* 你拿大牌时自己的位置形象比较好， 正好可以赢大的 pot
* 对手的 draw 总是 miss
* ....
给你说一手我在LV打的牌， 5-10， 1500 买入， 已经玩了好一阵了， 我的形象非常
laggy, 我桌上大概有4k+， cover整个table。 一手KK 在BTN上， utg玩的很差玩家
raise 到30，他很少raise, 一般都是limp， CO 3bet 他到150， CO也是一个玩的一般
的玩家， 一般不会3bet, 而且150也算是很大的3bet了， 他们一般3bet也就到90-120.
UTG和CO都是有3000-3500左右， 我在BTN只是call (当时就害怕他们两个里有一个有
AA了， 想看看UTG怎么反应）， utg push allin 3k+, CO fold， 我想 |
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