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gloomyturkey (一只郁闷的火鸡) 于 (Wed Jun 22 18:33:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
目前状况：Plantar Fisciitis刚好，也可能没好完。大上周跑个6迈, 有两个大坡，结
果跑完脚跟又疼了好几天。
比赛路线：几乎全部是长长短短的斜坡，我去试跑了一下，很吃力。8分的pace比跑步机上7分的pace难得多，可能腿部力量还是太差。
个人目标：上次跑平路5K, 24:48, 希望这次至少能提高点。
问题
1. 跑上下坡该用什么跑姿？身体前倾？下坡顺其自然跑，似乎对脚跟冲击很大。
2. 按理说我该穿神鞋Nimbus跑坡，但是那个鞋沉，我是不是该豁出去，穿个轻的
freerun跑，反正就5K，应该不会出大问题。
3. 还剩3个星期，临阵磨枪，不亮也光。现在该用个什么计划训练？跑tempo/interval好象还都行，但是实在不敢再去跑hill training了。
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d******0
发帖数: 22800 | 2 MR10/WR10： Heel (18mm), Forefoot (14mm）
hattori： Heel (15mm), Forefoot (15mm)
MR10/WR10比hattori的底硬，cushion少不少。 |
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u**o
发帖数: 4652 | 3 看这个，如果他穿上鞋的话，就会有人说他是HEEL STRIKE了。其实是MID-FOOT
其实CRAIG，RYAN着地好像都是类似这样的
这个也说明BAREFOOT不一定要FOREFOOT，IN FACT我觉得FOREFOOT LANDING有点像垫着
脚尖跑，跑不快啊 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 4 你所谓的toe landing就是forefoot landing吧，我用forefoot landing
也是小腿，尤其跟腱受不了...
其实没必要强迫heel strike啊，mid foot应该是best choice.. |
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s********k
发帖数: 401 | 5 我也是胖子，很理解你的感受。大体上感觉跑姿比鞋子重要。我一开始觉得要改成
forefoot strike最健康，结果跑了一段时间改小腿calf疼了。后来感觉只要保持高步
频（180-190步每分钟，或者10秒单脚16步---偷师本版），脚的落地点保持在身体正下
方或略靠后，不要落到身体前面，这样基本就好了。foot strike其实跟速度有关，速
度快了自然会过度到mid或者forefoot strike。我们胖人一开始速度肯定不能快，所以
先保持步频，等体重降了再加速度。神马hamstring pull这些等速度加上再体会。
以上纯属新手感言，不一定正确，欢迎指正。但是作为胖人：）（不是每人都有的经历
），希望能有帮助~~ |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 7 提倡forefoot strike主要是防止受伤吧，如果光脚跑，大家必然都是forefoot,
就说明这样的冲击最小...
至于马拉松为啥大家还是heel strike, 我觉得主要后期肌肉会疲劳，heel strike
依靠更加强大的大腿更多一些...另外Ryan/Meb 现在似乎都是midfoot landing啊，
至少从视频来看... |
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O*********h
发帖数: 4674 | 8 你估计不是真的forefoot
其实很多人mid foot的时候认为自己是forefoot了 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 9 another good one:
http://runnersconnect.net/running-training-articles/heelstrikin
Heel striking:
Over the last couple of years, the heel strike (also known as a rearfoot
strike) has been increasingly labelled as the chief perpetrator of running
injury. This is curious when we consider the results of a study done by Pete
Larson at the 2009 Manchester City Marathon. Using a high speed camera,
Larson filmed runners at the 10km and 32km points of the race, and later
classified them according to thei... 阅读全帖 |
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x******g
发帖数: 2165 | 10 那是你强大，
155 薄不少，forefoot 6mm, heel 10mm
233 forefoot 12mm, heel 18mm.
我还是需要时间适应。 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 11 不小心看到这么一篇, 貌似Vibram要翻身:
http://runblogger.com/2013/12/do-minimalist-shoes-increase-inju
Contrary to what you may read in the coming days about a new study that just
came out, Vibram just got the best Christmas present they could have
received.
The question of whether minimalist running shoes reduce or increase injury
risk has been debated extensively over the past 3-4 years. Much of this
debate has been based largely on anecdotal reports from runners and
therapists: many runners have reported re... 阅读全帖 |
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c*******g
发帖数: 12 | 12 看到一篇文章不错，给大家推荐一下
今天入手了Sapient 的PNB1，打算这个season开始练park了。这里有没有经验丰富的玩
家大家认识一下啊。
http://www.rei.com/expertadvice/articles/snowboard.html
Snowboard boots should be your first acquisition when assembling a board-
boots-binding setup. You want your boots to fit comfortably so you can move
on to bindings and create a great match. Boots, more than a board, are where
you want to splurge a little if you can afford to do so.
The snowboard boots you select should be well matched to your usual riding
style an... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 13 嗯，马拉松这样的长距离，全程用前脚掌的比较少．．．midfoot/heel landing
的都有，heel landing容易伤膝盖，大腿容易酸， forefoot landing小腿
容易酸...理论上来说forefoot landing不容易受伤，效率也更高些... |
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u*********s
发帖数: 2077 | 14 他似乎也是heel landing啊， 我以前一直以为穿VFF的都是
forefoot landing.... 不过看你和核桃妹的VFF的脚跟也还是
磨损的, 并不是完全的forefoot landing.... |
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d*****n
发帖数: 1875 | 15 数字看上去不错的。
Weight: 8.0 oz (size 9)
Stack Height: Heel (26mm), Forefoot (22mm); measurement includes forefoot
lugs.
有机会我肯定买一双试试。最近我买的鞋子都没在外面跑过。
thanks. |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 16 这是Shorter Oxford American English Dictionary第五版列出的与德语或者日耳曼语
相关的英语词根或词汇。
-at, suffix2. + -dom, suffix. + -ed, suffix1. + -ed, suffix2. + -en, suffix1
+ -en, suffix2 + -en, suffix5 + -en, suffix6 + -er, suffix1. + -er, suffix3
. + -er, suffix5. + -est, suffix1. + -est, suffix2. + -et, suffix2. + -eth,
suffix1. + -hood, suffix. + -ing, suffix1. + -ing, suffix3. + -ish, suffix1.
+ -kin, suffix. + -le, suffix1 + -le, suffix3 + -less, suffix. + -ling,
suffix1. + -ling, suffix2 + -ly, suffix1. + -ly, s... 阅读全帖 |
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b********a
发帖数: 5418 | 17 赞！牛人！唱歌的时候没说起来，不然我就给你加油去了。
我给自己下的首跑目标就是进3hr。看来要求不算高。
你有试过forefoot running么？这个跑法应该不伤膝盖，起码少伤膝盖。 |
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z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 18 【 以下文字转载自 Running 讨论区 】
发信人: whxhm1 (whxhm), 信区: Running
标 题: Re: 再问跑步姿势
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 20 19:44:30 2009, 美东)
In my opinion, the key is not which part of your foot lands first, but
whether the knee is bent when the front foot strikes the ground.
Typically a heel striker lands his front foot with the knee locked
straight. Often they don't realize this themselves until they see their
race photos. This moment of impact causes all kinds of injuries. A
forefoot/midfoot striker almost necess |
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g***l
发帖数: 18555 | 19 ASICS GEL-1150 ,原价84， 55买下KOHLS买的，30%OFF
Runner's World Awards: Best Buy
A well-cushioned and flexible shoe that gets all the basics right, the 1150
layers lots of foam padding underneath the foot and snugly wraps the arch
with a simple upper design that accommodates an expansive toebox. The 1150
features smaller Gel units in the heel and forefoot than the Kinsei and 2150
have. Despite using less Gel, the 1150 is the softest shoe in this guide,
according to our lab tests. Recommended for normal- |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 20 It is precisely because of weak leg muscles that your knees end up hurting.
You need strong muscles to protect the knees. There is a technique to hill
running. When going downhill try to land on your forefoot or the outside
edge of your feet, not on heels. This takes practice and you need strong
calf muscles to do it. I suggest running on flat grounds first, and
incorporate hills into your running slowly and gradually. |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 21 for track, get a stop watch, time each lap. for road running, you will need
GPS or mile markers. the running
form is too long a discussion. you can find plenty of advice on the web. for
people with knee injuries, running
on forefoot will help. |
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s*******k
发帖数: 3071 | 22 你太强了，什么都知道啊。。run on forefoot 的确很 help，尤其是长距离的慢跑。
need
for |
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e****q
发帖数: 1668 | 23 不买袜子也能穿，不过一定会起水泡。室外跑马路还是trail？穿这个鞋脚下非常敏感
，有点小石子都能感觉到，适应期比较长，不要一下跑太多，你会发现用到穿一般跑鞋
用不到的肌肉，小腿会酸痛。有些review说对膝盖和lower back pain有帮助是因
为forefoot landing，没听说过全身吸收冲击的说法。
男款有个model专门做室外trekking/trail用的，不过冬天还是应该穿不出去的，太单薄。 |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 24 How come I run 70 miles per week and don't feel a thing in my knees? I have
been running regularly for 9 years, and my knees weren't always perfect. I
have had a serious knee injury more than a year ago, and I got over it by
running in vibram five fingers and switch to forefoot landing. Your problem
is your running form, not your knees. |
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j**f
发帖数: 7403 | 25 可能吧。 正确的RUNNING FORM是啥呢？
而且每个人的骨骼结构也不一样，有的人，就是膝盖容易废。
用我的医生的话说，there are a dozen reasons why some people get hurt easy.
How come I run 70 miles per week and don't feel a thing in my knees? I have
been running regularly for 9 years, and my knees weren't always perfect. I
have had a serious knee injury more than a year ago, and I got over it by
running in vibram five fingers and switch to forefoot landing. Your problem
is your running form, not your knees. |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 26 bow leg isn't a problem. Dean Karnazes, one of the most popular
ultramarathoners today, is bow legged. It doesn't prevent him to run 300
miles continuously and to run 50 marathons in 50 days in 50 states.:)
running downhill is technical, and would be damaging to the joints if not
done correctly. Last year my knee injury was due to running downhill too
hard in a marathon race. Now I land on my forefoot on the downhills as well
and that protects my knees (at the cost of putting extra stress on my |
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j**f
发帖数: 7403 | 27 正确的跑步姿势，到底是前脚板先着地，还是后脚跟先？
bow leg isn't a problem. Dean Karnazes, one of the most popular
ultramarathoners today, is bow legged. It doesn't prevent him to run 300
miles continuously and to run 50 marathons in 50 days in 50 states.:)
running downhill is technical, and would be damaging to the joints if not
done correctly. Last year my knee injury was due to running downhill too
hard in a marathon race. Now I land on my forefoot on the downhills as well
and that protects my knees (at the cost of |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 28 There is no simple answer to this question. Let me just tell you that I do
all of my running on forefoot. However, it isn't the only correct way to run.
well
calfs). |
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t********n
发帖数: 611 | 29 昨天15
我是forefoot landing，对膝盖基本没有冲击，需要注意的是脚掌不受伤 |
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t********n
发帖数: 611 | 30 try forefoot landing
.. |
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w***n
发帖数: 9040 | 31 嗯，bikila更加激进一些
HEEL HEIGHT: 7.9 mm
FOREFOOT HEIGHT: 10.8 mm
HEEL-TOE DROP:-2.9 mm
heel toe drop 竟然是负数 |
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w***n
发帖数: 9040 | 32 这双也是负数的
Nike Sneakerboat II: 9mm heel, 11mm forefoot = -2mm drop |
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m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 33 nod...
应该是追求midfoot landing或者forefoot landing |
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m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 34 至少主流观点是提倡forefoot/midfoot landing的，不是heel landing。
至于鞋子是要简单鞋还是cushion鞋这个倒是有很多争论，现在流行简单鞋 |
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f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 35 其实我也不赞成过分强调forefoot strike。 |
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m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 36 nod...
应该是追求midfoot landing或者forefoot landing |
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m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 37 至少主流观点是提倡forefoot/midfoot landing的，不是heel landing。
至于鞋子是要简单鞋还是cushion鞋这个倒是有很多争论，现在流行简单鞋 |
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f*******n
发帖数: 5241 | 38 其实我也不赞成过分强调forefoot strike。 |
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d**c
发帖数: 588 | 39 跟里程真是没有关系。就是两个原因。1. 从heel landing到forefoot landing的转变
， 好了膝盖，坏了脚， 2. 我那双简约鞋。 AT还有一个原因就是有一次崴了脚， 怎
么也好不利索。 |
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d**c
发帖数: 588 | 40 跟里程真是没有关系。就是两个原因。1. 从heel landing到forefoot landing的转变
， 好了膝盖，坏了脚， 2. 我那双简约鞋。 AT还有一个原因就是有一次崴了脚， 怎
么也好不利索。 |
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a******g
发帖数: 13519 | 41 症状，右腿小腿内侧软组织疼。不动不疼，一旦前脚掌用力运动，绷起肌肉时就疼了。
估计是我一直forefoot造成的。
一年来一直坚持着跑步。不多，每天就5K，速度7mph左右，每周停个一两天。以前都是
跑塑胶跑道，基本上疼得比较少。
两个星期前，开始跑马路。道路有起伏，有上下坡，于是右腿就感觉疼得比较频繁了。
上个星期特意减少了跑步天数，有点奇怪的是，有时候跑完的第二天没啥感觉，休息的
第三天感觉就开始来了。
想请教，怎么预防跟治疗？能不能推荐几个拉伸的视频来看看。谢谢了。 |
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d******0
发帖数: 22800 | 42 最近看scott的书，说到，跑姿比那里landing更重要，overstride就容易损伤，无论是
heel strike还是forefoot strike。于是，又强调小步高频不要落点不要超过重心太多
。哈哈哈。。wuyan对版上跑步的贡献巨大啊，现在逐渐开始意识到当时不懂但是照着
做的规则的道理了。 |
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D****g
发帖数: 2860 | 43 发信人: Deling (流浪歌手-爬爬死爬腰酸), 信区: Running
标 题: 怎么挑选跑鞋(摘抄自Runner's World)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jun 5 15:47:46 2007), 转信
原则是要根据自己的脚型和地形挑选。总的原则就是足弓越高越需要cushion，越低越
需要motion control。以下摘抄自 http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/news/article.asp?UAN=481
The Normal Foot
Normal feet have a normal-sized arch and will leave a wet footprint that has
a flare, but shows the forefoot and heel connected by a broad band. A
normal foot lands on the outside of the heel and rolls inwards slightly to
absorb shock. It's the fo |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 44 【 以下文字转载自 Running 讨论区 】
发信人: Deling (流浪歌手-爬爬死爬腰酸), 信区: Running
标 题: 怎么挑选跑鞋(摘抄自Runner's World)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jun 5 15:47:46 2007), 转信
原则是要根据自己的脚型和地形挑选。总的原则就是足弓越高越需要cushion，越低越
需要motion control。以下摘抄自 http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/news/article.asp?UAN=481
The Normal Foot
Normal feet have a normal-sized arch and will leave a wet footprint that has
a flare, but shows the forefoot and heel connected by a broad band. A
normal foot lands on the outside of the heel and rolls inwards slightly to
a |
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D****g
发帖数: 2860 | 45 原则是要根据自己的脚型和地形挑选。总的原则就是足弓越高越需要cushion，越低越
需要motion control。以下摘抄自 http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/news/article.asp?UAN=481
The Normal Foot
Normal feet have a normal-sized arch and will leave a wet footprint that has
a flare, but shows the forefoot and heel connected by a broad band. A
normal foot lands on the outside of the heel and rolls inwards slightly to
absorb shock. It's the foot of a runner who is biomechanically efficient and
therefore doesn't need a motion control shoe.
Best shoes: Stabili |
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s****y
发帖数: 349 | 47 我贴篇我以前存下来的文章，比较长：）
Running technique: The Footstrike
Heel vs. Midfoot vs. Forefoot: How do elite runners land?
I've finally gotten around to this post, which is probably two weeks in the
making, and it follows on from our recent series on running shoes. That
series began by looking at whether shoes are in fact as much a cause of
injury as a cure, and then evolved into a discussion of how the running
market is evolving. Twenty years ago, it was all about motion-control shoes
preventing overpronat |
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 48 wanjiru has a very dramatic style of forefoot landing. his knee is bent more than most of the other runners. very interesting.
why do the elite women wear so little, even in 30F weather? that's just weird. |
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d*********6
发帖数: 6115 | 49 嗯， 我也看过2000年奥运会冠军高桥尚子的vedio,她的也是着地的时候膝盖弯曲比较
大，也是
forefoot，这样也许对膝盖冲击小？
more |
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w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 50 http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/04/running-technique-footstrike.html
zt 如下：
Running technique: The Footstrike
Heel vs. Midfoot vs. Forefoot: How do elite runners land?
I've finally gotten around to this post, which is probably two weeks in the
making, and it follows on from our recent series on running shoes. That
series began by looking at whether shoes are in fact as much a cause of
injury as a cure, and then evolved into a discussion of how the running
market is evolving. Twenty years ag |
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