w*******r
发帖数: 7276 | 1 cxu, a layman in comm theory is doubting about one of the biggest scientific
and engineering achievement human being had ever made. What a joke. He is
just a perfect example to show those doubter's background and credibility. |
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 2
我也是到米国后才知道的，听移民律师说什么layman language。
看来这是学法律的一个key word。 |
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b*******8
发帖数: 20 | 3 我觉得他跟你说的不矛盾。
当经济学家有idea的时候他会去验证。比如想模型人在不确定下的decision,跟layman
谈谈，看他们是否能理解你想要干的。很多经济学家甚至去做survey等等验证他们的研
究。他们通过与layman谈得到他们想要的信息。
但当layman有idea的时候跟经济学家谈，就是反方向的了。因为你丝毫不知道layman会
给你什么样的信息。很多时候只是违反了经济学的一些基本principle.
经济学家之间的确有很多分歧，但他们在很多principle上是一致的。比如incentive,
比如competition。只用这些经济学家已经达成基本一致的原则就可以更正layman的很
多idea了。 个人觉得layman最容易犯的错误是总喜欢partial equilibrium下讨论问题
。说白了就是喜欢用拆东墙补西墙的办法。 比如其他帖子有人说对富人征重property
税。这样就不会因为穷人换不清贷款而产生次贷危机了。看来是个很好的结论。但收多
少合适？最后贫富差异到多少算是达到目的了? 征税太轻达不到消除贫富差距的目的。
征收重税后富人积累资本的incen |
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发帖数: 1 | 4 既然你只看结论,不看他们怎么得出结论（把致癌的研究排除）。
那你看看这片综述的结论：
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24762670
在联邦法庭上作证的有NIH National Toxicology Program 专家C. William Jameson,
Ph.D
“To a reasonable degree of scientific certainly,” it’s clear that
glyphosate and glyphosate-based herbicides likely cause cancer in humans,
particularly non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL), at real-world exposures including
the levels farmworkers and others face when using the weedkiller.”
NIH的专家是layman吗？欧洲科学家是layman吗？
显然你说的layman法庭导致错误判决是不成立的，
法庭lay... 阅读全帖 |
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m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 5 美国圣公会的首位公开同性恋主教最近称赞了那些支持同性恋的美国长老会信徒，说他
们在自己宗派内创造了对同性恋的“大量困惑”和他所谓的“神圣混乱”。
（图：More Light Presbyterians）
基恩·罗宾逊（Gene Robinson），圣公会新罕布什尔州主教，在一次“More Light
Presbyterians”的活动中讲话，2012年6月30日。
“不多年前，我们的教会，你们的和我的，还有其他大多数教会，非常确定神怎么想我
们……而因为你们勇敢的工作，有了大量困惑的人们，这是往前迈进的一大步，”新罕
布什尔州主教基恩·罗宾逊（Gene Robinson）在一次活动中说，这次活动由支持LGBT
的团体“More Light Presbyterians”（更多光长老会）赞助。（LGBT是指男同性恋、
女同性恋、双性恋和变性人）
罗宾逊希望称赞并进一步鼓励男女同性恋者，因为他们正面临很多关于同性恋的议案。
在匹兹堡召开的美国长老会总会上，该宗派正在考虑一个提案以翻转2010年允许有配偶
同性恋神职人员侍奉的决议，还有另一个重新定义婚姻的议案。投票将在本周晚些时候
举行。
罗... 阅读全帖 |
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o*******t
发帖数: 728 | 6 Like much of the rest of Houston, the Katy area has been dealing with a
slowdown in home sales and new housing starts this year. As oil and gas
companies announced more layoffs over the summer, the volatility has
impacted the housing market in an area closely tied to the energy industry.
"This has been an ongoing eventuality," said Aaron Layman, a Realtor in Katy
who said he was not surprised by early numbers from August showing a
decrease in sales in the Katy Independent School District area ov... 阅读全帖 |
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l****u
发帖数: 2166 | 7 查了下原文，是这么说的 - 用的比喻是食品。
"You say that if a layman attains arahantship he must either enter the Order
that very day or die and attainparinibbàna. Yet if he is unable to find a
robe and bowl and preceptor then that exalted condition of arahantship is a
waste, for destruction of life is involved in it."
"The fault does not lie with arahantship but with the state of a layman,
because it is too weak to support arahantship. Just as, O king, although
food protects the life of beings it will take away th... 阅读全帖 |
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l****u
发帖数: 2166 | 8 查了下原文，是这么说的 - 用的比喻是食品。
"You say that if a layman attains arahantship he must either enter the Order
that very day or die and attainparinibbàna. Yet if he is unable to find a
robe and bowl and preceptor then that exalted condition of arahantship is a
waste, for destruction of life is involved in it."
"The fault does not lie with arahantship but with the state of a layman,
because it is too weak to support arahantship. Just as, O king, although
food protects the life of beings it will take away th... 阅读全帖 |
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i*****s
发帖数: 4596 | 9 有一个不怎么准确的译文，不过可读性倒是不低，我把原文附在后面：
祖神来归式科学
费曼（Richard Feynman）
在中世纪，有各种类型的古怪观念，如象一块犀牛角会增强权力。后来找到一种方
法将各种观念进行分类 --- 行得通就弄明白它，行不通就取消它。尔后，这种方法
就逐步形成科学。而且它发展得很好，所以我们现在是处在科学的时代。然而使我
们很难理解的是，就在这样一个科学时代巫医怎么会存在，巫医提出的事，从没有
真正行得通 --- 或者很少行得通。
但是时至今日，我遇到不少人，他们总会和我说到飞碟（UFO），或者星相学，或者
某些神秘主义，扩大的知觉，新型意识，超感觉力，等等。我得到结论，这都不属
于科学世界。
许多人相信那些荒诞不经的事物，使得我决意研究他们为什么这样。我的好奇心促
使我去进行研究，而所涉及到的内容却使我陷入困境。居然有这么多糟粕，真使人
吃惊。首先我由研究神秘主义，神秘经验的各种思想入手。我进到隔离的试验槽，
并有过许多小时的幻觉经历，所以我知道关于神秘主义的某些东西。我还去过埃萨
伦，这里是各种思想的温床（这是一个很好的地方，你们应当去看看）。然后我变
得不... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 10 这些欧洲科学家是layman吗？
WHO的专家也都是layman吗？
你是怎么看出来的？
不是我老鄙视你，能写出几个除草剂的化学式吗？
化学系本科生就能写，你水平能打到化学系本科吗？ |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 11 by Jammie
The silliness just never ends.
The researchers, Steve Layman from Geosyntec Consultants in Georgia and
Rick Mayden from Saint Louis University, came across the first new species
in the Duck and Buffalo rivers of the Tennessee river drainage, according to
Scientific American’s Running Ponies blog.
Etheostoma Obama, is a relatively skinny orange and blue speckled fish
topped by a brilliant fan-shaped fin, with bold orange stripes. Males grow
up to 48mm long. The scientists told S... 阅读全帖 |
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H****y
发帖数: 2992 | 12 出去开会。会还没开完，就搞了这么个东西出来。职业病呀！
On Poster Presentation
“I think the first duty of all art, …, is to entertain. That is to say, to
hold interest. No matter how worthy the message of something, if it's dull,
you're just not communicating. “ (Poul Anderson)
Poster presentation may sometimes bear an “inferior” look compared with
oral presentation. Yes, you don’t get that collective attention from dozens
or hundreds of people in a quiet room. You can’t play soun... 阅读全帖 |
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e****l
发帖数: 318 | 13 (continued)\
~position annoucement: provide copies of the petitioner's present and past
job vacancy annoucements.
~past employment practices:提供过去也hire过同等学历或更高学历的人的证据，这
个职位总共hire了多少个人，这些人都是什么学历的，什么方向的，还要提供这些人的
成绩单& pay records or quarterly wage report
~petitioner's prodcuts or services:such as copies of biz plan, reports,
presentation, evaluation, recommendations, critical revierws, promotional
materials, designs, blueprints, newspaper articles, web-site text, news
copy, photographs of prototype... 阅读全帖 |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 14 (4)
We have learned a lot from experience about how to handle
some of the ways we fool ourselves. One example: Millikan
measured the charge on an electron by an experiment with
falling oil drops, and got an answer which we now know not
to be quite right. It's a little bit off, because he had the incorrect
value for the viscosity of air. It's interesting to look at the history
of measurements of the charge of the electron, after Millikan.
If you plot them as a function of time, you find that one ... 阅读全帖 |
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t*******r
发帖数: 22634 | 15 另外如果是跟五岁天才娃（相当于小学五年级的普通娃）讲娃版数学，
那术语应该更严格一些，layman's language 和术语要对应起来。。。
因为五岁天才娃（相当于小学五年级的普通娃），娃版数学已经不再
是纯 spiral 的阶段了。。。光使用 layman's language，可能会
造成将来数学阅读/交流/上网查资料的问题。。。这就好比 literature
的词汇量。。。 |
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n***m
发帖数: 1627 | 16 （抱歉，实在是中文输入太费时间，反正大家也看得懂英文）
I composed a letter to USCIS in layman’s language. Hope it can help. The
link to the AILA article is attached at the end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear Officer,
I am writing to you in the hope of clarifying a controversial and
potentially misleading recommendation from the American Immigration Lawyers
Association (AILA). Specifically, AILA published an article as the guideline
to allow EB2 petitioners to take advantage of the recent advancement of EB3
cut-off date. After care... 阅读全帖 |
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G********d
发帖数: 10250 | 17 100f is the pro slides
superia is the layman's negaives.
slides are usually more expensive than negatives
pro's is more expensive than layman's. |
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G********d
发帖数: 10250 | 18 100f is the pro slides
superia is the layman's negaives.
slides are usually more expensive than negatives
pro's is more expensive than layman's. |
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w**w
发帖数: 5391 | 19 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
faintcat (悲愤啊) 于 (Thu Dec 2 15:27:04 2010, 美东) 提到:
第一时间以我一目百行的功力看完的。或许是期望太高吧，有点儿失望。
大刘太注重宏观的idea，太忽略细节的描写，无论是技术细节还是人物感情命运。三体
3开头几十页让我有巨大的惊喜，看到天明仰望星空的时候，我差点儿哭了，这是2中对
罗辑命运的粗糙描写无法比拟的细腻和真实。
接着，大刘又回到了热爱yy的男生常有的毛病－－太快、太宏大、太草率。读到后半部
分，我差点儿放弃了，接着又回去努力看，看到结尾又崩溃了。就差点儿说：
亲爱的，我们又开始新的一天了。
而且还不是我原先想看到的男主人公对女主人公说的！不知从哪儿新冒出来的wsn。
那三个故事讲的还是很好的，颇让我的阅读速度降低到了一目十行。但文章的很多
“硬”的部分都让我觉得草率。三体1也是偏重技术，我还仔细向我研究高能物理的好朋
友咨询了一番－－－至少大刘把我这个无知的人糊弄住了。但三体3我已经不好意思拿
去讲给研究高能物理的听了。
明显荒谬的地方就... 阅读全帖 |
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Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 20 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
wuyu (wuyu) 于 (Fri Sep 9 12:23:52 2011, 美东) 提到:
行禅在念住修行中有很重要的地位。跟大多数这儿的同学们一样，我没有福气有专门时
间在一个清静的地方做行禅。只能在上班路上做行禅，虽然效果不是很好，但千里之行
，始于脚下，希望为将来有机会密集禅修打下基础。
我曾经试着给每一步脚掌的移动分解标识“按，移，推，提”。开始感觉效果不错
，但缺点是标识经常跟不上所缘变化，导致标识变成了念口诀。后来请教卡玛兰蒂禅师
，她建议我只用察觉“左脚，右脚”。用这个方法我基本上能跟上所缘变化。但是很容
易走神被杂念打乱。到最后，我想了一个办法。这个办法跟我练习安般息念的经验有关
，我一般用数息（吸呼1-10）来使自己沉淀杂念。在行禅中，我也试着以“数步”让自
己能持续专注。我发现数七步是最好的：（一）容易持续专注；跟数息的道理一样。（
二）可进可退；如果环境嘈杂，或专注力弱，可只觉知“一三五七”步。如果专注力强
，可以“一二三四五六七”左右脚全部觉知（三）易于平衡；因为是奇... 阅读全帖 |
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 21 my PhD advisor would say to make ur stuff understood by a layman/stupid
person is an art you shall learn and master...I admire him in that aspect...
he is shy but he is a great communicator to little kids/layman...the same
goes with grant writing nowadays, a three year old has to understand ur
proposal otherwise urs is too complicated to be read/understood and thus be
funded |
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 22 alright, my last comments on this thread:
Ranking is for layman/under:)) but not us...
first neither of the two you listed are top10 or even 20 yet, that's 1:)))))
2: As it stands now, Janelia farm definitely has higher potential than
either stowers or NIBS in term of its potential future impact on basic
research area...3. your department may be regarded as a top10 is not because
how many CNS paper it produces this year, last year or a next y...it is
because of the historical accumulation...for ... 阅读全帖 |
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n********k
发帖数: 2818 | 23 layman on cancer stuff and no intent to argue but discuss...
First don't like Amy and have no knowledge about Kim before ur post...
that said, Most of the points you made here are points for discussions or
personal scientific standing, and more or less representing the challenging
for the entire cancer (or CSC) field and highly debatable...with that, your
strong opinion towards them kind of not justified...
I think we all have heard too much of pro and con concerning the various
theory regardi... 阅读全帖 |
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q*d
发帖数: 22178 | 24 认为场论目前的形式丑陋的大家不是一个,
Dirac不是layman了吧,他是公开说这玩意丑陋的.
重整化还不是目前标准模型里最丑陋的部分,
那个Higgs机制看起来更丑.
一个理论丑还是美,看看公式就知道了:
Dirac 方程,Yang-Mills方程,狭义相对论只要layman一眼看过去,
都觉得这很美.
再看看重整化,Higgs机制,那一坨丑的不能再丑的公式,
如果有人有美感,我只能说你毫无品味.
way
I
论，
发现
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t*******i
发帖数: 315 | 25 1. 对。那个drape还挺大的。
2. 我都是想好了几个鉴别诊断写下来再进门，问完了OCDFP就每个鉴别诊断问一两个问
题，要不就怕自己什么都想不起来了。我是平时练习的时候就很难问全的。
3. 当你问完OCDFPAAA时，你可以问：Other than what you told me about, has
there been anything else going on? 一般如果漏掉了什么病人会告诉你的。然后在
问诊最后在说 Is there anything else you want to let me know?我觉得一般这两个
问题就可以cover多数你漏掉的信息了。
4. Kaplan说closure的时候，给出一个诊断就可以，然后用layman language解释这个
诊断，再说两个你要做的tests.然后show empathy or reassurance,再问有没有问题。
所以对于常见的诊断，我觉得最好想好怎么用layman language解释，简单解释两句就
可以。尽量不要打顿，实在不行就少说两句。
当然这只是我在Houston考完的感觉，过不过还不知道 |
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h**s
发帖数: 1757 | 26 I do not think u need to mention the + physical finding to the patient at
the closure.
I am still waiting my result , just look as reference:>))
My template of the closure:
Thank you for you cooperation, (smile)
Now I would like to give you a brief review your problem: you came to our
hospital because of ....,..., ... (3 + symptoms). is there anything else you
wanna tell me ?
Okie, thank you !
Based on the infor you gave me and my physical exam , I thought you might
have ...., or .... ( Give t... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********p
发帖数: 125 | 27 我认为kaplan和ximedus比较可行，但要强调“可能”的诊断：your condition may be
caused by a couple of diseases, one is X， it's a (layman's explanation);
the other is Y, or we generally call it yyy; it's caused by (layman's
explanation again). To figure out the exact cause/diagnosis, we need ....。
总之不能说"是"什么病, 只能说“可能”。
想想假如你去看医生，搞了半天，连个可能的病名都不告诉你，觉不觉得看这医生还不
如在家上网查一查呢。 |
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D******n
发帖数: 2836 | 28 Sometimes its very annoying and error-prone if a language or a software is
trying to be "smarter".
I see what "round to nearest , ties to even" is coming from, but it messes
up with the "traditional/layman" standard.
which will give you unexpected outcome or bugs if you were originally going
with "layman standard".
I once migrated sth from SAS to R, and because of this round function i
spent quite some time trying to understand why outcome from two
implemntations were different.
Another example ... 阅读全帖 |
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W****n
发帖数: 591 | 29
可以
depends.
profit=0, which means business owners earn nothing but simply staying in
that industry like a retarded angel.
capital can not produce output by itself, it need to be combined with labor
input. A layman version example could be cobb-douglas production function.
FYI, wiki it. |
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M*********r
发帖数: 50 | 30 Chinese investment policy was not so smart. Chinese government has been
purchasing US T-bills, T-bonds for years regardless the negative yield
problem. Quite a few infamous/notorious/shameful Chinese economists as far
as I know work for the US government. Chinese government only slowly
realized the problem in the recent years.
Alan Greenspan once said, "even if the Chinese government wants to sell T-
bills/bonds, they can't do it. Because there are no other buyers. " See the
arrogance of US gove... 阅读全帖 |
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o**1
发帖数: 6383 | 31 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
MarketMaker (BigWave) 于 (Wed Nov 10 16:44:14 2010, 美东) 提到:
I always thought respect is mutual.
《每日电讯报》说，卡梅伦与阁员在人民大会堂时，拒绝中方对他们除下罂粟花的要求。
该报引述随行的一名首相府人员说：“中方人员对我们说佩戴罂粟花是不恰当的，因为
两国曾经发生鸦片战争。我们告诉他们这花对我们有重大意义，我们所有人会继续佩戴
。”
很多英国人习惯在11月份在衣襟佩戴罂粟花，纪念两次大战和其他战争中牺牲的英国军
人和平民。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
The first Opium War was the beginning of a long period of weakening the
state and civil revolt in China, and long-term depopulation. In 1842, China'... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 582 | 32 你不要不服气，对于layman，能够编辑wiki可以使得信用加分
至于学术信用，那就必须看CV
我看你发言多了，一直气都很壮，不过一直没有搞清楚状况，很让人无语。 |
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a****l
发帖数: 8211 | 33 Just thinking from a layman's perspective, when the population density is
high, the only choice is to go vertical, so that more people can live on the
same piece of land. Of course, I acknowledge there are many more other
factors limiting this choice, such as finalcial and local regulations, but I
think going vertical is the most reasonable solution to the high population
density.
higher |
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w*******r
发帖数: 7276 | 34 A layman in comm theory is doubting about one of the biggest scientific and
engineering achievement human being had ever made. What a joke. He is just
an perfect example to show those doubter's background and credibility. |
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p*****y
发帖数: 799 | 36 作為外行，現在聽到的不外乎他發表了多少Nature、Science，拿了多少NIH經費之類。
這個當然比普
通博士後、AP強多了。但是我覺得作為一流的科學家，大家都是說做了什麼重要的工作
，或者在做什麼
重要的工作。從來沒有人談論愛因斯坦、楊振寧發了多少文章或者拿了多少funding吧
。就算次一點
的，陳景潤、華羅庚、馮康做了什麼工作我們也是知道的。
有沒有人給我們用Layman的語言科普一下，施一公主要的科學貢獻是什麼？ |
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R**********t
发帖数: 1795 | 37 这可不是layman 能写出来的。还是犹太有人才优势啊。 |
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q******j
发帖数: 577 | 38 你自己不也解释了一通蝴蝶效应了吗？我觉得看完你和楼主的争辩，已经了解了这一概
念。如果你说我被误导了，那至少你自己也没有解释清楚，或者说没有到一个Layman能
正确理解的程度。说来说去不就是初始值的不确定性使得在一个有限解集的范围内求解
的不确定吗？你非要照本宣科地嚼字眼，没几个门外汉愿意听。围基上的定义也一样不
严谨，big change 这种描述就不是数学语言，围基还不是用它想让读者更有些感性认
识？
发信人: jiuyin (jiuyin), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 三峡无罪，给你们普及一下气象学常识吧
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 26 01:22:38 2011, 美东)
你的回帖已经充分说明你被误导了，还用的着我说吗？
你自己可以去google 一下蝴蝶效应嘛？
楼主自己说他的“不巨大”就是“不是无穷大”的意思。你是这么理解的吗？天气预测
当然不会出无穷大，就算你把“撒哈拉”搬到“湖北”天气预测也不会出无穷大。所以
变化不巨大？ |
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b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 39 这就是老盛外行管理内行自作聪明的表现。不可否认高铁安全性很可能确实有大问题，
但是靠降速来规避风险是典型的外行凭layman's logic想出来的馊主意。时速200公里
的追撞比300公里好不到哪去。降速却不减少班次反而会缩短车辆间距，造成通路壅塞
调度混乱增加事故隐患。 |
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f**k
发帖数: 15238 | 40
can
Well, the above statement is NOT necessarily true.That's why you were named
as a layman-sci, haha.
such |
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w**j
发帖数: 1032 | 41 http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/
Out of the 266 Popes to have ruled the Catholic Church, ten in particular
stand out for their wickedness. This is a list of the ten with a description
of their errors and faults.
1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
Pope Liberius is the first Pope not to be canonised a saint. He reigned
during the height of the Arian crisis during which a large majority of the
Church believed that Jesus was not God, but merely a man. The A... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 704 | 42 Exactly. This case is very fishy. It did not add up.
Here is the so called chians of evidences:
1 it was said that gasoline was found on seaweed at the wreck site,
2 examining old check in security video showed on suitcase contain bottles'
liquid;
3 in the same suitcase a set of keys were found which can be used to open
zhang's house;
4 motivation: zhang's bought 7 life insurances
I think there was serious fault play, let me, as a layman, try to point the
shit:
1 how the sob know the trace gasol... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 43 我们77级考大学时，因是文革后的第一届，不考英语。我们这批学生进校时，英语都很
差。我是英文字一个都不会，也不重视，还几次申请免修。李克强是同学中学英文最卖
力的之一。他口袋里总是装着一叠自己做的英文单词小卡片，一面写的是英文单词，一
面写的是中文，用橡皮筋一扎，一有空就拿出来背。我印象中，他在图书馆呆的时间很
长。
记得有一次，我和克强在他的宿舍里，因一个与法律相关的英文单词争论起来。这个词
是“laymen”。当时，我刚开始读英文，说这个词的意思是“律师/懂法律的人”的意
思。克强说，他的理解正相反，“laymen”是指“不通法律的人”。当然，争论最后，
证明他对这个词的理解是对的。
--陶景洲 |
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l******t
发帖数: 55733 | 45 尼共科举制度还不错。居然3，4，5核心都是科举产物。 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 47 Never read it. From what was described by others there seems to
be a lot of details in the book, which may even allow a layman to
carry out the crime (most chemistry undergraduates should not
have this knowledge), if he/she can obtain the thallium salt.
It is weird that Chen Zhenyang does not like the idea to re-examine
ZL's hair. I think he is not so confident about his analysis and does
not want to get a public embarrassment. The time and dosage
distribution of thallium in ZL's hair is very v... 阅读全帖 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 48 其实本质上和杂交水稻没什么两样儿。一种鲑鱼基因放到另一种鲑鱼体内。
这样有目标的转基因效率更高。
对转基因食物对人食用的安全性的担心主要是layman因为不了解而产生的担忧。毫无必
要。 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 49 人要求的是细节，但是又要让layman听得明白。
你三两句话能做到么？ |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 50 呵呵，人就是present result, 霸在哪里？
而且，你不学生物的比学生物的更明白？谁更霸？
对layman来说，不存在霸不霸这个问题。
只有对同领域内非理性压制才是霸。
同学愤没问题，但基本逻辑理性要掌握好。
否则就崔永元了。 |
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