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发帖数: 19 | 2 贴一下歌词顺便问问问题
看歌词中打**那两节说的是什么历史故事啊？
还有billy joel不算rock & roll么怎么smth和这里的rock版都找不到？
Viktor was born in the spring of '44
And never saw his father anymore
A child of sacrifice, a child of war
Another son who never had a father after Leningrad
Went off to school and learned to serve the state
Followed the rules and drank his vodka straight
The only way to live was drown the hate
A Russian life was very sad
And such was life in Leningrad
**I was born in '49
A cold war kid in McCarthy time
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发帖数: 2555 | 4 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Wed Nov 16 12:44:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
前一段时间大家讨论基辅战役的得失，非常热烈。最近读了点文章，也写写自己一点鸡
零狗碎的看法。
首先，德国人的首要目标是什么？希特勒的想法是很明确的，那就是消灭红军主力，而
不是攻克莫斯科 (D. Glantz, The Battle for Leningrad, Kansas Univ. Press, pp.
26)。这个逻辑很自然：如果只是攻克莫斯科，俄国人仍然可以抵抗，从历史上看，俄
国人被拿破仑占领了莫斯科，而俄国人笑到了最后；从现实看，俄国人在列宁格勒有工
业，乌克兰有农业，高加索有石油，顿巴斯有工业，莫斯科的工业可以迁到乌拉尔继续
生产，攻克莫斯科并不意味着俄国就会投降，而如果消灭了红军的主力，俄国人想不投
降也没有办法(说到这里，希特勒向毛泽东抛个媚眼：俺们德国人也是要以消灭敌人有
生力量为主地)。
所以，当战争进行到8月底，中央集团军群在西方面军的顽强抵抗下裹足不... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 5 Top 10 movies:
1.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0073488/
Oni srazhalis za rodinu (1975)
("They fought for the Motherland") - One of best Soviet military movies,
very many best Soviet famous actors played in this movie. As I remember,
this movie got "Oscar" in USA. Summer of 1942... Remainders of broken
regiment are retreating in Don region. Their regiment lost most part of men,
they fought and retreat very long time but they do not run, they retreat in
order and continue to fight when command order... 阅读全帖 |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 6 Moscow or Kiev-- How Germany could have won WW2
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Pt. #1
The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place the Wehrmacht should have been able to shift force... 阅读全帖 |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 7 Moscow or Kiev-- How Germany could have won WW2
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Pt. #1
The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place the Wehrmacht should have been able to shift force... 阅读全帖 |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 8 Moscow or Kiev-- How Germany could have won WW2
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Pt. #1
The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place the Wehrmacht should have been able to shift force... 阅读全帖 |
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 9 有可能，不过德军机会很大，我觉着有至少80%把握。越早打莫斯科，苏军战斗力越差。时间在苏联一边。
Moscow or Kiev-- How Germany could have won WW2
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Pt. #1
The Russian Front was the decisive theatre of WW2. If Germany won everywhere
else, but lost on the Russian Front, then they lost the war. But 80% of the
Wehrmacht was employed fighting the Soviets, so if they lost everywhere
else, but they won on the Russian Front, then depending on when these events
took place t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 16326 | 10 The Siege of Leningrad, also known as the Leningrad Blockade was a prolonged
military operation by the German Army Group North and the Finnish Defense
Forces to capture Leningrad in the Eastern Front Theatre.
It started on 8 September 1941, when the last land connection to the city
was severed. Although the Soviets managed to open a narrow land corridor to
the city on 18 January 1943, the total lifting took place on 27 January 1944
, 872 days after it began.
It was one of the longest and most de |
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发帖数: 8775 | 11 在所有讨论这前，我认为最终鉴别圣经是否足够准确的标准就是圣经是否可以作为人与
上帝之间的桥梁。如果是，那么圣经就是好的，如果不是，再准确，再好懂，再通顺，
再有原稿，再有道理的书也不能叫做圣经。但是既然这么多年来，这么多人通过圣经，
认识了上帝，与上帝建立了关系，见证了上帝的存在，反过来也说明我们的圣经是可信
的。反而圣经是否完美，是否跟原本一模一样，变得不是那么重要了。
这是一个网上课程的翻译，英文好的可以直接去看原版。
https://bible.org/seriespage/session-3-transmission-scripture
圣经的传抄。指从圣经的原本（圣经作者写的原作），经过传抄，到现在我们手中的圣
经。问题是：我们手中的圣经跟原本是一样的么？我们手里的圣经可信么？
旧约原文是由希伯来文(Hebrew)和阿拉米语(Aramaic)两种语言写成。写成时间是
1500BC~400BC。新约原文是由希腊文（Koine Greek）写成的，写作时间是40AD~100AD。
我们目前没有圣经作者写的原本。圣经的传抄是靠手抄的。直到后来印刷术在欧洲出现
。（虽然在中国早些时候... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1050 | 12 The first appearance of the Tiger on the Eastern Front was unsuccessful. The
first Tigers were issued to the 1st platoon of the 502 Battalion of Heavy
Tanks (Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502). On the 29th of August 1942, the four
Tigers arrived at the Mga railway station near Leningrad. Early that day,
the tanks were unloaded and prepared for battle. At 11:00 AM, the Tigers
went into their battle positions. Major Richard Merker commanded the platoon
, which included four Tigers, six PzKpfw III Ausf.... 阅读全帖 |
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y****i
发帖数: 1050 | 13 The first appearance of the Tiger on the Eastern Front was unsuccessful. The
first Tigers were issued to the 1st platoon of the 502 Battalion of Heavy
Tanks (Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502). On the 29th of August 1942, the four
Tigers arrived at the Mga railway station near Leningrad. Early that day,
the tanks were unloaded and prepared for battle. At 11:00 AM, the Tigers
went into their battle positions. Major Richard Merker commanded the platoon
, which included four Tigers, six PzKpfw III Ausf.... 阅读全帖 |
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y****i
发帖数: 1050 | 14 The first appearance of the Tiger on the Eastern Front was unsuccessful. The
first Tigers were issued to the 1st platoon of the 502 Battalion of Heavy
Tanks (Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502). On the 29th of August 1942, the four
Tigers arrived at the Mga railway station near Leningrad. Early that day,
the tanks were unloaded and prepared for battle. At 11:00 AM, the Tigers
went into their battle positions. Major Richard Merker commanded the platoon
, which included four Tigers, six PzKpfw III Ausf.... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 18158 | 15 David Glantz
David M. Glantz (born 11 January 1942 in Port Chester, New York) is an
American military historian and the editor of the Journal of Slavic Military
Studies.
Glantz received degrees in history from the Virginia Military Institute and
the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and is a graduate of the U.
S. Army Command and General Staff College, Defense Language Institute,
Institute for Russian and Eastern European Studies, and U.S. Army War
College. He entered active service w... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 16 'It's better not to mess with Russia': Putin issues veiled threat to the
West and compares Ukraine's siege of rebel-held cities to the Nazis
surrounding Leningrad
He said Russia's nuclear programme means 'nobody would think of conflict'
He also tells rebels to release trapped enemy to 'avoid senseless deaths'
He compares Ukraine's sieges of two cities to Nazis' siege of Leningrad
He referred to 'Novorossiya' - or 'New Russia' - as he praised rebel '
success'
Kiev said the edict proved that se... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6153 | 17 Artemy (Leonid Gromov), professor of Scientific Atheism at the Leningrad
State University, is visiting his brother in a small town neighboring
Leninsk. There he meets Valery (Leonid Bichevin), a young man who is dating
his niece and has come to take her to a party. On the way back from Leninsk
to Leningrad Artemy's car breaks down and he goes into an isolated farmhouse
to get help. Artemy gets to talking with the farmhouse owner, Alexey (
Aleksei Serebryakov). The two drink together homemade alc... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3803 | 18 WIKI上的这个列宁格勒外围战斗也很NB!
五辆KV-1干掉43个德国坦克。
Krasnogvardeysk
On August 14, 1941, the vanguard of the German 8th Panzer Division
approached Krasnogvardeysk (Gatchina) near Leningrad (St Petersburg), and
the only Soviet force available at the time to attempt to stop the German
advance consisted of five well-hidden KV-1 tanks, dug in within a grove at
the edge of a swamp. KV-1 tank no. 864 was commanded by the leader of this
small force, Lieutenant Zinoviy Kolobanov.
German tank vanguard attack plan and ... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********e
发帖数: 33562 | 20 前一段时间大家讨论基辅战役的得失，非常热烈。最近读了点文章，也写写自己一点鸡
零狗碎的看法。
首先，德国人的首要目标是什么？希特勒的想法是很明确的，那就是消灭红军主力，而
不是攻克莫斯科 (D. Glantz, The Battle for Leningrad, Kansas Univ. Press, pp.
26)。这个逻辑很自然：如果只是攻克莫斯科，俄国人仍然可以抵抗，从历史上看，俄
国人被拿破仑占领了莫斯科，而俄国人笑到了最后；从现实看，俄国人在列宁格勒有工
业，乌克兰有农业，高加索有石油，顿巴斯有工业，莫斯科的工业可以迁到乌拉尔继续
生产，攻克莫斯科并不意味着俄国就会投降，而如果消灭了红军的主力，俄国人想不投
降也没有办法(说到这里，希特勒向毛泽东抛个媚眼：俺们德国人也是要以消灭敌人有
生力量为主地)。
所以，当战争进行到8月底，中央集团军群在西方面军的顽强抵抗下裹足不前，而南方
却出现了战机，希特勒本着消灭红军主力的根本目的，进行基辅战役，一举全歼红军西
南方面军主力，达成了根本战略目的，同时也造成红军在莫斯科保卫战里无法从南方抽
调援军，给台风战役铺平了道路。 |
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发帖数: 33562 | 21 The problem is how Germany can launch a direct thrust to Moscow?
Moreover, your statement is incorrect. After the battle of Smolensk, Hilter
did not plan to seize Leningrad; he also did not plan to get Baku. |
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发帖数: 3728 | 22 你提到的La Brea tar pit,想起来在高中学新概念英语的时候看到过，怀念一下年轻时
的岁月：
L. G. Alexander: New Concept English, Book IV
19/49
It is animals and plants which lived in or near water whose remains are
most likely to be preserved, for one of the necessary conditions of
preservation is quick burial, and it is only in the seas and rivers, and
sometimes lakes, where mud and silt have been continuously deposited, that
bodies and the like can be rapidly covered over and preserved.But even in
the most favorable circumstances o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1741 | 23 12. Memorandum of Conversation1
Beijing, February 17–18, 1973, 11:30 p.m.–1:20 a.m.
PARTICIPANTS
Mao Tsetung, Chairman, Politburo, Chinese Communist Party
Chou En-lai, Premier of the State Council
Wang Hai-jung, Assistant Minister of Foreign Affairs
Tang Wen-sheng, Interpreter
Shen Jo-yun, Interpreter
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Assistant to the President for National Security
Affairs
Winston Lord, NSC Staff
(At 11:00 p.m. February 17, 1973 at a meeting in a villa near the Guest
House where Dr. Kiss... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 18578 | 25 再补充几个参与过苏芬战争的步兵师，那么一共我统计的28个步兵师里面，10个来自南
方（乌克兰或者亚美尼亚）或者中亚，略多于1/3的参战部队，我相信所有54个师里面
，来自南方或者中亚的部队也不会超过一半，这么说斯大林苏芬战争用的大部分是南方
和中亚部队并不准确。
17 rd
МВО, ЗапОВО. Established at Gorki around 1920. Fought in Winter War
with Finland. Wiped out at Vyazma Oct 1941.
俄罗斯中部地区
42 rd
Leningrad Military District, ЗапОВО. Established at Terijok Feb 1940.
Fought in Winter War with Finland.
俄罗斯西北部
88 rd
established at Archangelsk before Sep 1939. Fought in Winter War with
Finland, and was in Archangelsk MD on 22 June 19... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29576 | 26 是不抗了324深水炸弹没修好就又给派出去了？
Navy The Soviet Navy
Type Submarine
Class M (Malyutka)
Pennant
Built by Sudomekh (Leningrad, U.S.S.R.) / Yard 196
Ordered
Laid down 17 Jun 1936
Launched 23 Jul 1937
Commissioned 11 Dec 1937
Lost Oct 1943
History
Northern fleet.
Went missing in early October 1943 off the Verangerfjord. Most likely mined
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发帖数: 6153 | 27 American deliveries to the Soviet Union can be divided into the following
phases:
"pre Lend-lease" 22 June 1941 to 30 September 1941 (paid for in gold and
other minerals)
first protocol period from 1 October 1941 to 30 June 1942 (signed 1 October
1941), these supplies were to be manufactured and delivered by the UK with
US credit financing.
second protocol period from 1 July 1942 to 30 June 1943 (signed 6 October
1942)
third protocol period from 1 July 1943 to 30 June 1944 (signed 19 October
194... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2285 | 28 Don't mess with nuclear Russia, Putin says
LAKE SELIGER Russia (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Friday
Russia's armed forces, backed by its nuclear arsenal, were ready to meet any
aggression, declaring at a pro-Kremlin youth camp that foreign states
should understand: "It's best not to mess with us."
Related Stories
Ukraine seeks to join NATO; defiant Putin compares Kiev to Nazis Reuters
Putin says Russians and Ukrainians 'practically one people' Reuters
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发帖数: 1 | 29 安-24 所有事故：
1960s
1962
29 July 1962
A MAP Kiev MSZ An-24 (CCCP-46708) overran the runway at Sheremetyevo
Airport following an aborted takeoff.[1]
1965
20 March 1965
An Aeroflot An-24 (CCCP-46764) landed short of the runway at Khanty-
Mansiysk Airport, struck a snow drift and broke up, killing 43 of 47 on
board.[2]
1966
2 February 1966
A United Arab Airlines An-24 (SU-AOB) crashed at Luxor, Egypt during a
test flight.[3]
18 March 1966
United Arab Airlines Flight 749 crashed while a... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2504 | 31 应该长期顶置。
关于列宁格勒，david glantz 有2本书， 2012年还有前苏内部档案编成的"The
Leningrad Blockade", 历史书有双方的资料对比就比较好写了。 |
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t******e
发帖数: 2504 | 32 应该长期顶置。
关于列宁格勒，david glantz 有2本书， 2012年还有前苏内部档案编成的"The
Leningrad Blockade", 历史书有双方的资料对比就比较好写了。 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 33 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military
标 题: Are You Ready to Die?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun May 14 13:28:02 2017, 美东)
“Fifty years ago, the streets of Leningrad taught me one thing: If a fight
is inevitable, you must strike first.” Vladimir Putin
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/11/are-you-ready-to-die/ |
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发帖数: 13640 | 34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944
Dutch famine of 1944 Legacy[edit]
This famine was close to unique as it took place in a modern, developed and
literate country, albeit suffering under the privations of occupation and
war (other example: the famine during the siege of Leningrad). The well-
documented experience has allowed scientists to measure the effects of
famine on human health.
The Dutch Famine Birth Cohort Study, carried out by the departments of
Clinical Epidemiology and B... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 956 | 35 最著名乐团：
1 荷兰皇家音乐厅管弦乐团 Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra
2 柏林爱乐乐团 Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra
3 维也纳爱乐乐团 Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra
4 伦敦交响乐团 London Symphony Orchestra
5 芝加哥交响乐团 Chicago Symphony Orchestra
6 巴伐利亚广播交响乐团 Bavarian Radio Symphony
7 克里夫兰管弦乐团 Cleveland Orchestra
8 洛杉矶爱乐乐团 Los Angeles Philharmonic
9 布达佩斯节日乐团 Budapest Festival Orchestra
10 ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 499 | 36 速度对大部分数学家来说是没用的。
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/08/28/060828fa_fact2?curr
'At Leningrad University, which Perelman entered in 1982, at the age of
sixteen, he took advanced classes in geometry and solved a problem posed by
Yuri Burago, a mathematician at the Steklov Institute, who later became his
Ph.D. adviser. “There are a lot of students of high ability who speak
before thinking,” Burago said. “Grisha was different. He thought deeply.
His answers were always correct. He always checked v... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6889 | 37 给我寄来的写"versuchte Gebiet" ，听上去总觉得不太对劲。。。今天给凿摸出来是"
verseucht Gebiet"。。。
另外把heldenmütigen给大写了。。。
全文如下：
Die Front im Osten. Kampfraum Leningrad. Mnner einer Luftwaffe Felddivision vor einem Stotruppunternehmen.
Die letzten Minuten vor dem Einsatz.
Die eigene Artillerie unterstürzt das Unternehmen durch einen Feuerüberfall.
Der Trupp stürzt ins Kampfgelnde vor!
Sowjetbunker werden von dem Stotrupp in die Luft gesprngt!
Auszeichnung der erfolgreichen Stotruppkmpfer.
Ein deutscher Panzerzug im mittlere |
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发帖数: 2446 | 38 Mikhail Baryshnikov
(dancer, born January 27, 1948, in Riga, Latvia)
"Working is living to me,'' Mikhail Baryshnikov once said. He has worked
hard and lived to the fullest. His name is synonymous with dance throughout
the world. His dancing is a sublime vision at the dawn of a new century.
Mikhail Nikolaevitch Baryshnikov was born in Riga in 1948 and began his
ballet studies there in 1960. In 1964, he entered the Vaganova School in
what was then called Leningrad, studying with the legendary Alek |
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发帖数: 18251 | 39 我们继续借助他成熟时期的例局来拜学李连塔尔大师的战略才能。在第一局里，我们把李
连塔尔的自评和鲍特维尼克、还有法因所写的评注作一比较。有趣的是，该局的主旨和上
篇我们研习过的他对鲍特维尼克的那一局相同：借敌方马位置不利之势而痛打之。
李连塔尔(Lilienthal) - 凯列斯(Keres)
列宁格勒/莫斯科(Leningrad/Moscow) 1941
1. d2-d4 Ng8-f6 2. c2-c4 e7-e6 3. Ng1-f3 b7-b6 4. g2-g3 Bc8-b7 5. Bf1-g2 Bf8-
e7 6. 0-0 0-0 7. Nb1-c3 Nf6-e4 8. Qd1-c2 Ne4xc3 9. Qc2xc3 Bb7-e4
黑方先发预防对方 Qc3-c2. 其意图是续走 c7-c6 和 d7-d5 而不至于把己方象拦住。倘
若兑象而因之废了一步棋并没有实质性危害。
10. Nf3-e1
此处李连塔尔提出一个在“开局百科”里没有出现的变化：10. Bh3!? f5 11. Nd2 Bb7
12. Re1，准备 e2-e4. 不过他认为最佳着法是 10. Bf4，他那个时代的理 |
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P*****t
发帖数: 4978 | 42 满版归去，加个三。故事还蛮有意思的，不过感觉这俄女精神也不怎么正常。
Russia’s Black Swan
Posted by Julia Ioffe
Whatever happens at the Oscars next Sunday, it is likely to bring on yet
another wave of “Black Swan” mania. Meanwhile, in Russia, all eyes are on
another ballerina horror show. This one involves a real Black Swan—the
prima ballerina Anastasia Volochkova, who is famous for her long-limbed
renditions of Odette and Odile in “Swan Lake.” She is also a notorious
Moscow socialite—appearing frequently in the Russian tabloids ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3422 | 43 相信大家都是HiFi+HDTV (or projector+ 幕布)
声音的话，我用的是光纤/同轴；
AC3/DTS/Dolby Digital 5.1， 5个箱子走墙线，建家庭影院。
我看的音响效果比较好的是：
《Attack on Leningrad》 - 2009
特别是开始激战的一段。
谁有音响效果更好的影片推荐下？ |
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i****a
发帖数: 36252 | 44 我有 DS home theater 音响及游戏耳机. 我去试试这部电影 Attack on Leningrad |
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b********t
发帖数: 992 | 45 ft,看到三八线你应该知道是说朝鲜战争啊,当然很多美国人认为KOREAN WAR是他们赢了,
这个讨论在军事版隔一断时间就会有人贴出来.后面的那个是说古巴导弹危机
这首歌估计是BILLY JOEL在前苏联录唱片的时候,碰到一个叫做VICTOR的老毛子,BLAH
BLAH BLAH,有感而发 |
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m*****n
发帖数: 25 | 46 re
ft,看到三八线你应该知道是说朝鲜战争啊,当然很多美国人认为KOREAN WAR是他们赢了,
这个讨论在军事版隔一断时间就会有人贴出来.后面的那个是说古巴导弹危机
这首歌估计是BILLY JOEL在前苏联录唱片的时候,碰到一个叫做VICTOR的老毛子,BLAH
BLAH BLAH,有感而发 |
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z*****a
发帖数: 7716 | 47 re,the history is clear enough in the lyrics,hehe.
The song is pretty agreeable. :)
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k********v
发帖数: 18 | 48 前天晚上tony awards
第一对颁奖嘉宾就是billy joel和某某美女
billy第一个说话,开口就是60年前d-day...原来他老爸是二战老兵
崇拜~~ |
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c******u
发帖数: 19 | 49 ft
你竟然在这
而且你竟然还有时间看电视
我打游戏都没有时间了 |
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