p****r 发帖数: 9164 | 1 in 1-2 or 2-5 NL ,there are just so many limp pots. in 5-10NL, it is usually
a lot less limping. But even at nosebleeding stake game , like the game
played by Ivey, durrrr, there are still decent amount of limp pot. I won one
of biggest pot in 2-5 nl just in a limp pot.
agree with fryking, you are confident with postflop play and can get
better edge by seeing cheap flop, playing limp pot is not a problem. |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 2 just my 2 c
1 满筹买入
--这个基本就是宇宙真理。 不解释。 如果觉得在一个级别你打短筹更合适, 那你
该做的是降级。
~~~~短筹所面临的情况相对简单,策略更容易掌握,代价是win rate下降(被rake
的比例增加),但同时被exploit的机会也少,打得好的话,pro也赚不到你便宜,遇上
差的玩家还是可以赢利的
2 不要limp
--if it is good enough to limp then it's good enough to raise. 你有edge 为
啥不打大一点的锅?锅越大,赢率越高。 no question. 你Limp 唯一可以达到的就是
增加SPR, 变成伪深筹,让你可以用implied odds玩点烂牌, 其实得不偿失
~~~~同意后半段,SPR大的情况下,postflop情况变复杂,相对难掌握。但是前半
段不太同意,因为有很多玩家喜欢拿着非常松的range甚至any two cards,limp进池底
,然后在postflop犯错,频繁raise的话,赶走了一部分这样的玩家,同时增加了
postflop的defend程度,减小... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 3 理论如此,if you can limp, then you can raise。
实际看情况,比如WV的桌子,无数人喜欢limp or limp call <$15,它们只要hit了比
如TP or strong 2nd pair with A这样的牌总是会pay you off的,这种情况下,俺觉
得有位置,limp也未为不可,减少自己的前期投入,如果你对postflop有信心的话。 |
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h*****s 发帖数: 29 | 4 In my opinion it is more like "situational" move, if the table is loose and
aggressive.
Let's first look at premium hands. If you raise with AA/KK/AK in EP, and get
3 callers, it is really hard to play OOP postflop, and it gives you an
awkward SPR. If you limp and get raised by someone, you can easily get on
the top with a 4bet, such that SPR is better and you can get rid of callers
with speculative hands. If you don't get raised, it's much more easier to
get away from the limped pot if postflop... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 5 讨论一下。
如果你open raise EP, 要平衡, 可以大牌15%+ 4%-8% speculative hand (suited
connector, A suited, etc) 如果,你加了个20% EP limp range, 如何平衡? 好像
怎么整都是weaker hand 多哈。 如果你加些大牌在你的limp range 里, 那又会如何
影响你的raise range 呢? 碰到有个face up boring 打法, 在D神眼中就是一坨屎
, 被D神post flop 暴出酱来的TAG REG 在后面isolate raise 你,你肿么办?
以前carbon 上有个reg, limp 3% hand from ep. 每次limp reraise 都是QQ+, 结果
丫每次ep raise, 我都3 bet 他, 后来他好像不这样玩了, 后来他消失了。 PTR 上
丫还是盈利的。 |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 6 i guess open limp or follow limp are different, it doesn't hurt to limp more
if your VPIP is kind of low, but should be in good position no matter what.
that
is
have |
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p******a 发帖数: 975 | 7 一般来说,limp is never a good play,不管在什么position。到现在没有看见过有谁
介绍过limp的打法的。
但是,在high stakes poker或者poker after dark里面,ivey Dwan这些一流高手经常
在early position limp。有人知道是为什么吗? |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 8 这五条就是是基础。 推翻肯定不靠谱。 调整也是在知道为什么后在这基础上微调。
对鱼对reg都是一样的。
Open mind 是对的, 每一种打法都有漏洞, 当然要看对手,因人而异。 但这五条是
基础中的基础, 几乎总是对的。在我看来,经过 online 洗礼的牌手转现场容易, 主
要就是这些基本功扎实。 而现场选手在一堆鱼里跌打出来, 基本功差一点, 打到高
一点的级别, 有时候会吃亏都不知道为十么。
1 满筹买入
--这个基本就是宇宙真理。 不解释。 如果觉得在一个级别你打短筹更合适, 那你
该做的是降级。
2 不要limp
--if it is good enough to limp then it's good enough to raise. 你有edge 为
啥不打大一点的锅?锅越大,赢率越高。 no question. 你Limp 唯一可以达到的就是
增加SPR, 变成伪深筹,让你可以用implied odds玩点烂牌, 其实得不偿失
3 要tight aggressive
--水平高, edge 大就loose 一点, 这样调整没问题。agressive 没问题... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 9 啊呦妈呀 直接吓尿了
碰到tag reg在中后位,哥一般是不会EP limp太light的哈(笑~)套用最近比较流行的
一句话就是,没玩就已经输在起跑线上了哈
所以还是必须澄清一下,vpip/pfr只是最终的一个appearance,哥声称自己打的多
loose,其实反过来回顾也只有33/17。真实情况往往是,同时开着4到6桌,有些桌子是
40/25,有些桌子是15/12甚至更nit。
决定是否前位limp,需要看后面的对手和table dynamic,either哥觉得range仍然领先
,or哥觉得有非常非常高的implied odds,举个极端的例子,如果table非常soft,
postflop fit or fold,哥甚至愿意limp到any 2。
至于,“碰到有个boring 打法face up 在D神眼中就是一坨屎的TAG REG”,哥还是非
常注重位置和dynamic的,本身跟他们切磋的机会就不多,且在他们没有意识过来之前
,哥基本上都是打nuts line的(笑~)经常见到的情形是,对方骂两句,然后fold哈
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h*********r 发帖数: 1943 | 10 Limp Wrist我觉得并不能单纯怪罪到塑料上,因为还是有塑料枪完全对limp wrist不感
冒,比如USP。 |
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T*********k 发帖数: 1621 | 11 Now I just don't limp in AA preflop. Even you limp in in early position, you
don't gain much compared to raise. Too much risk that some opponents hit
the flop good, then you have a tough decision to decide how much you want to
involved before you get rid of your AA.
Say a guy see the flop and raise you like crazy, you will have a tough time
to decide if he really have a set, two pairs or just a top pair with good
kicker.
AA, KK, AK usually win small pot and when they lose, they lose big.
I have |
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t*********d 发帖数: 3398 | 12 其实我说的比较保守, 玩起来也不是那么保守
今天早上
Villain: 80bb @ UTG
Me: 160bb @big blinds with 45o
Villain limped in at UTG, all folded to me.
Flop 45J rainbow, I checked, villain bet 2bb and I mini raised to 4bb,
villain re-raised to 8bb, I called. Turn 5, I bet 15bb and villain raised to
32bb, I thought for a while and shoved with 100+bb. villain called. River
blank.
Villain showed QQ.
一条不折不扣的鱼啊。
turn的时候只有JJ是唯一能大过我的牌, 但是很少见人用JJ在UTG limp in, 所以我判
断他是QQ+, 只有两个outs, 所以在turn shove了。
我现在的原则是, 如果判定我在flop 或者turn是nuts, 我会 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 13 Reading the book non-limit holdem theory and practice. It appears to me that
they advocate more limping than raising preflop. The reason is that it is
better to keep inferior hand in to win a bigger pot than to win a mere
blinds. Does it make sense? Half of the hand they recomment limp, i would
even raise with. i only run vpip 13 7 or so. so are they suggesting to have
something 18 6 for vpipd?
Any comments? |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 14 More on this issue:
Concept No. 55: Unlike limit, limping first in on the button is frequently
correct. Every limit player is familiar with blind stealing — openraising
from late position with a weak hand in an attempt to win the blinds. In
limit, it’s almost never right to limp in when you could attempt a blind
steal
instead, since the blind money represents a large percentage of your total
expected
win. For instance, in a game with $10 and $20 blinds ($20–$40 limit),
you might expect a big fin |
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j**y 发帖数: 7014 | 15 那我也来一个类似的吧
Someone post straddle to $20. 3 limper, I am at bn with 26o, limped too. 5-w
ay action pf.
flop, 266 with flush draw! check to me. What should I do?
In reality, I put out $30. two callers. one (MP) is short stacker with ~$100
left, and one is deep stacker (EP) with >$500 (similar to my stack size).
turn, 9 off suit. check to me again. What should I do?
In reality, I bet $50. only the short-stacker left.
River, A off suit. short stacker instantly all-in with $50. I called. He sho
wed A... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****s 发帖数: 29 | 16 imo online games are tighter. if you opt to limp n call, it will often put
you into headsup oop situation which u want to avoid generally .
if you limp-n-reraise too often, good players will start re-re-raising you
lightly. what would u do with ur hands like ATs ?
i think its fine using this move occasionally. well, mixing up and balance
is one of the keys in poker, right? |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 17 不能让这个帖子沉了,贡献下哥的2 cents
哥刚学online poker的时候,杂七杂八看过很多教材/视频,也受到过高人指点。
几条铁律记忆犹新:
1 满筹买入
2 不要limp
3 要tight aggressive
4 避免oop
5 增加一定的3bet/squeeze频率
现在回头想想,其实这只是一种preflop策略,用这种策略一定能稳定赢钱么?哥不觉
得。(当然,哥承认这套打法对上micro cash game的大多数reg很有效)
那问哥用什么策略一定能稳定赢钱呢?哥的答案是没有。
梨叔说过,没有一种打法是万能的,任何打法都有克制和被克制的打法。
poker的soul是adjustment和balance。对上不同级别不同类型的对手,想要maximize
profit就必须drastically调整你的策略。这个太宽泛,太多东西要补,哥也在学习中。
哥就拿自己的例子说说,为什么哥现在需要limp到很多很多手牌(42/15/7)。
因为哥现在profit来源主要是那些range宽,postflop打的烂的对手。
所以,哥要争取跟他们玩更多的postflop
所以,哥也需要... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 18 u把极少数情况拿出来作为论据,来推翻一些很基本的公理。。 坑爹啊。。。
也许merge 上真的很鱼。 我看carbon NL50-NL100 6max 每桌上基本都有一个tough
reg, 几个普通reg. 鱼也就一两个。 任何limp 都会被raise ISO... 你说的这种一桌
鱼很罕见哟。 不过更可能的是, 对我来说是tough reg, D神眼中也是fish. 结果就
是随便limp.... |
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D******r 发帖数: 491 | 21 Glock is prone to limp wrist failure is well known, not sure why.
If anyone want to use a tactical light on their Glock, please be careful.
Test your pistol with light mounted thoroughly at range. The weight of the
tactical light might prevent your Glock from functioning properly |
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t**********e 发帖数: 1590 | 22 视频作者用三把枪讲述了limp wristing的问题。P226,Glock 19和CZ75。推荐有需要
的同学看看。挺不错的视频。 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 23 preflop limp utg. I call.
after flop $50c i raise to 1.50$
turn bets 75c and i raise to 3$
river he bets 75c. i call..
knew river is beat.. but i have to pay to see for the cheap price. |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 24 This is to assume that he will call... yes if he calls you get as much $$ in
the pot as possible.. but when it is too obvious that you have a set then a
lot hands that they won't call.. my raise size is very close to the guy you
mentioned bets. the only issue is that it is a limped pot preflop for me
therefore i can't get to all in river.. but i am still pretty close if i
raise to pot river. |
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f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 25 pre-flop, limps AQ
flop, checks
turn, calls my tiny 3bb
river, 估计又要到网上去骂fulltilt尽出怪牌了。 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 26 66 1 combo... either way does not weigh much. I don't think turn is a call
for 66 though. Pretty silly on that board even if preflop is limped.
To fryking: If river is a blank, there is value to have .. bet/fold 1/2-2/3
pot... |
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D*****A 发帖数: 551 | 27 我觉得,Live Game很多时候都是limp pot. 即便我是在late position 拿着suited
connectors, A & something, small pair, etc.
就算是hit top pair, flush draw, 很多时候也不太敢call/raise.
请问各位在遇到这种情况是有什么对策? |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 28 他们不raise 你raise 哈。有位置啥都可以raise。
比如这把牌,
2 limper, 我在cut off raise 13$ MP call. 1 fold. I had J3s
flop 25K rain bow.
ep check I bet 18$. He call.
turn 5, he check. i check.
river 9. he check i check.
check down 的原因是我发现他post flop 很tight 的, 加上那干牌面。
我show J high , 他 show 25o with fullhouse.
这牌可有意思了, 他打完后肯定觉得他preflop call 得好。 我打完后觉得我preflop raise 得好,以后基本上有位置,啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非,只有个人自己体会。
扑克就是那么有意思。 |
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j**y 发帖数: 7014 | 29 你为啥要show?为啥要暴露呢?
preflop raise 得好,以后基本上有位置,啥都可以raise他的limp. 孰是孰非,只有
个人自己体会。 |
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r****r 发帖数: 1394 | 30 i hate limping, with a passion |
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d*****0 发帖数: 1500 | 31
-w
100
sho
this is not a limped pot, straddle == 20 bucks, are you playing live 5/10?
LD come out to check GOD!! |
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j**y 发帖数: 7014 | 32 it is kinda like 2/5 table. And if someone post $10 as straddle, the mini-
call pf is $20. So, I still think it is a limp pot. |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 33 这种有位置拿着nuts 的limped的湿牌面, check 到你, 当然是下注。 我想不出来还有别的打法。
-w
100
sho |
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D*****A 发帖数: 551 | 34 也就是说,尽量避免玩limp的牌。
要么bet, 要么不玩儿?(或者偶尔玩儿) |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 35 此帖有误导嫌疑。
你说的五个铁律做到, 做好,做精,基本可以bet NL200 online 了
1 满筹买入
2 不要limp
3 要tight aggressive
4 避免oop
5 增加一定的3bet/squeeze频率 |
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W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 36 喔, 还有limp % at different position. 要不把你HUD 打开来, 贴个screen shot.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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c******q 发帖数: 456 | 37 online game: don't open limp
live game: no need to balance |
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c***k 发帖数: 4349 | 38 设{Xn}是一随机变量列,若Эa,st ∨ε>0,有limP(|Xn-a|<ε)=1,则{Xn}依概率收
敛于a。 |
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z*****a 发帖数: 7716 | 39 哈哈,没有什么了不得吧,只是说更eclectic一些吧至少
Limp Bizkit这种,以前我还能听听,现在觉得真不咋样,
倒不是说我道行怎样,只是真的太商业化了
以前选择太少,现在选择多了 |
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D*****X 发帖数: 1163 | 40 谢谢解释, 我是真不知道那是什么网站.
LIMP BIZKIT也就第一张好听些, 我同意你的说法. |
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s*****s 发帖数: 1130 | 42 上一次去casino玩live game还是两年前,其实总共也没有玩过几次,除了一次在
atlantic city,其他几次都是在las vegas. 那时候还是生手,只敢玩玩$1/$2 NL或者$
100左右buy in tournament. 这次陪LD去MIAMI,正好有那么一会时间要等LD办完事,发
现高速边上有个magic city casino的牌子,就进去玩了一个半小时. 和las vegas比起
来,这个casino极其屌丝,就象是个乡下年久失修的walmart. 走进poker room发现人还
是蛮多的,当时大概是下午1点半左右,大概20几张桌子,大部分都坐了人.随便要了个$2/
$5的位置坐下. 身上也没有太多现金,所以也没问有没有$5/$10或者更大的桌子. 门口
的牌子上写着non-smoking,但坐我边上的老爷爷还是一直在抽electronic cigarette,
我心里还嘀咕了一下不知道这个electronic cigarette算不算烟. rake是$5max,加上$2
jackpot, 再加上$1小费,赢一个pot基本上就要交$8,还是蛮贵的. 感... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 43 几天没上网,今天终于忍不住了,提着电脑到麦当劳写REPORT。早就想写了,但跑酒店
一问,竟然要网费要15刀一天,也太坑人了吧。所以就忍到今天才来开写。
先交代一下上次VEGAS回来后的状况吧。上次回去之后跑LOCAL打了两次1-3NL,输得很
惨。去的时间不对,是WEEKDAY去的,全是REGULAR,我LOOSE,别人更LOOSE,我
AGRESSIVE,人家更AGRESSIVE.啥牌都CALL,都CHASE。第一次去玩竟然一下就输了900,
一上来就AA 在BB,RAISE到18,7个人CALL。FLOP 3 4 K,两张黑桃,BET 60, 一老头
CALL,其他人FOLD了。TURN 7,估计老头应该是在CHASE FLUSH,应该不会CALL 18
WITH 65,所以就 ALL IN 120,老头立马CALL,亮出5 6 黑桃。我问老头如果7没来他
CALL 不CALL我的ALL-IN,老头说他肯定FOLD。所以觉得自己也没打错,谁知到他会有
STRAIGHT 和FLUSH DRAW呢。马上又RE-BUY 200, QKo 在BTN, UTG RAISE 到17,由于
有... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g 发帖数: 1128 | 44 先更新下近况。在这个星期五前牌打得都很顺利,信心大增,同时也在担心downswing
什么时候来。结果星期五三个小时就输掉700,其中有三次大SUCK OUT。 一次是TPFD
FLOP上CHECK-RAISE到40,OR和那个LOOSE DONKEY都CALL,TURN来了FLUSH,BET了个85
, OR FOLD了,DONKEY竟毫不犹豫CALL,RIVER来了第四张红桃,DONKEY CHECK,我立
马CHECK,DONKEY有个ACE红桃。他竟然拿着个SECOND PAIR CALL我的RAISE和我的85$
TURN BET, 气得俺气不打一处来。还有一次俺拿Q10,FLOP 两对,ALL IN 80,两个人
CALL,结果拿QJ的RUNNER RUNNER STRAIGHT. 最后一把我STACK 190左右,拿着KK在UTG
,俺LIMP,知道下面肯定会有人RAISE,大家也都LIMP,直到CO老头RAISE 10$, BTN 和
SB都CALL,DONKEY 在BB 3-BET到30,俺立马ALL IN, 其他人都FOLD了,DONKEY 想半天
又CALL了,他... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****r 发帖数: 2123 | 45 我们这有一个limp in专家,preflop 从来是limp in + call raise。 limp in 范围是
从K5o 到 AA。 好像还很成功, 我观察了三天, 基本是$200上桌, 2-3个小时变成$
400-500,准备继续观察几天。
昨天和我一桌, 看到一次他UTG limp in , 后面有人call, 中间有人raise to $7,
又有人call, 他也call, 好像有7个人进pot(我fold了没有仔细看)。 flop 以后他
就bet 1/3 pot, 后面有人fold 有人call, turn继续bet 1/3, 有人call, river 继
续bet 也被call, 他show AA 赢下大锅
还有一把他在button, 前面有人limp in 他也跟, flop以后check到他, 他就bet
bet bet, 最后show KK
还有用AK赢了不少, 也有用很多垃圾牌赢不少,
我和他交手两次, 第一次 我7h8h 中位raise$10 , 他后卫call 大盲call, flop
Kh9h6s, BB check, I bet $20, ... 阅读全帖 |
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r********t 发帖数: 1098 | 46 例八:
Under gun(第一个位置)拿了同花 ,梅花。
许多人在前位都打不好AJ和KQ,本书第二卷会详细讲这个问题。(第一卷里许诺了许多
东西,让大家看第二卷,可到现在,第二卷还没有任何动静呢。第二卷包括如何计算和
运用flop后及turn的SPR,如何玩short-handed,就是网上的,等等等等,这个着急啊
。不过ED Miller写东西一般有始无终,他在杂志上的文章,经常说后面会讲什么,最
后都不了了之了。记得过去翻译过他的量体裁衣,定做战术什么的,到现在还没见到续
集呢)。
如果玩10人的满桌,在 under gun(第一个位置)扔掉AJ和KQ,没有什么坏处。后面有
9个对手的时候,许多时候他们手里会有比你强的牌,最好扔掉,特别是不同花的。如
果桌子上有许多好手,一定要扔掉。如果桌子不太tough,玩好了也是有收益的。
今天的情况,桌子上有8个人,而且不是很tough,加上又是同花的,可以一玩。玩的话
,是limp
in(悄悄溜进来)呢?还是raise呢?
Limp in(悄悄溜进来)的话,能够保持锅小,还鼓励那些拿了A带小,J带小或者两个
小梅花来送死。而且,一个大... 阅读全帖 |
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f********d 发帖数: 796 | 47 本次session大概2个小时,50手牌左右,买入200刀,最高时候水上150多,最后水上75
离开。如果没有记错我只有一次btn没有open。原因是在我前面已经有人open了。
拿到一次AA(第一次现场拿到AA),一次TT,其他的都是AX牌
limper还是一样的多。我在后位拿到AX统统open 18.就这样打了3圈没有一手show down
,水上30多刀。
桌上一个半醉鱼,2个白人老头,2个白人中年男。一个墨镜年轻白男,他是唯一和我一
样的紧凶abc牌手。其他都是鱼。
大部分人的打法就是有好牌就open 10刀左右,没有就看情况limp。
牌例按时间顺序
牌例1:
hero at btn with A7o。 4 limpers. hero open 18. a half drunk fish at utg
call.
flop A75 rainbow. check to hero. bet 16. he call.
turn is 8, still rainbow. check check/
river is 4, check, hero bet 35. fold
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I**n 发帖数: 839 | 48 上次玩plo还是黑色星期五之前在fulltilt打0.5-1 poker现在对我来说只能是是娱乐而
已 也曾有很多想法 但确实资质太差 比如说看别人写牌谱 自己每次打完牌却一手牌都
记不住 大多时打牌凭感觉很少有量化的策略 既是娱乐 偶尔赢了沾沾自喜以下 输了就
当是花钱消费 说句f*k了事 一直没什么长进
周末偷空去玩omaha8 my favorite 4/8limit在bravo上查到有game 手机上了两个小时
的闹钟 赶过去table居然break了 f*k it 既然来了 上PLO 其实也心痒了很久了 就500
刀吧 爽一把 输了也心甘
登记好之后 赶紧下载amazon kindle看看jeff hwang是怎么说的 md刚看了一页那边就
催了 上吧 min-buyin是100 就先买200开始 坐上去一看 曹大概有一半是2+2上来的
internet kids 什么raise7x什么的说的都是行话 观察了一会其实是在回想书上写的
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E*******r 发帖数: 520 | 49 TEN TIPS TO BEAT LIVE CASH GAMES
LIVE AID
BY ROSS JARVISNOVEMBER 2009
Training sites like CardRunners and PokerXFactor have a lot to answer for. A
few years ago, online poker rooms were swarming with fish readily handing
over their money on a daily basis. Unfortunately those days are over. While
you still might come across a dream table from time to time, it’s clear
that there’s been a gradual improvement online to the point that even at
lower limits such as $0.25/$0.50 you’ll find regular caree... 阅读全帖 |
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E*******r 发帖数: 520 | 50 How to Crush Live $1/$2 No-Limit Hold'em
No-Limit Texas Hold'em is by far the most popular poker game being played in
casino poker rooms.
Without a doubt, your average table features a motley crew of fish waiting
to give their money away.
With a little help from this article, you'll get your fair share of it.
The Game
The game is $1/$2 No-Limit Texas Hold'em, the Chevrolet Cavalier of poker.
The minimum buy-in is $40 and the max $200.
$1/$2 is the smallest No-Limit game run in most casinos and f... 阅读全帖 |
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