w*********p
发帖数: 7230 | 1 limp wrist又不是罪过，女生里更常见，凭什么非要改？而且很多时候也改不了
如果某人要侮辱一个美铝，美铝身边就一个破glock，结果一limp wrist，就被侮辱了
，你说是枪的错还是人的错？
枪要什么时候都工作，你是不是看hk那个video也说hk你不能不往水里泡么 |
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b*****e
发帖数: 5133 | 2 手腕有点酸痛是不是腕子顶的太紧了？大家都说半自动手枪射击要顶腕/锁腕不要limp
wrist，但实际上就是故意limp wrist要卡壳也不是很容易。其实我觉得手腕不需要锁
死而且可以相对放松，后坐是先向后再向上，枪握好了，虎口顶住握把上部，手，手腕
，上臂的位置可以自动提供一定的锁定，不需要屏住手腕，后坐一段时间后手腕提供支
点使枪口上扬。有点像经典Luger铰链式闭锁开锁那样，呵呵。
再去试试XD/XDm和Glock 21SF(握把小些的那个型号)？不行只能是1911啦，百年庆买很
顺理成章嘛。 |
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s*******n
发帖数: 12995 | 3 你手枪的握姿好像有点问题，对后座的控制不太好，会不会枪卡壳是Limp Wrist的问题？
有的枪设计对Limp Wrist很不forgiven. 实在很难想象天朝连制式9mm都做不好。。。 |
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B*********6
发帖数: 54 | 4 来自主题: GunsAndGears版 - 新手来报道 Glock 9mm Gen 4 有著名的“Brass in Face”问题, 我也遇到了。
这 Glock 我一月份买的全新，前两天才到手。第一次打了 100 发，2/3 的 brass 直
接掉脑门上，还卡了两次壳 (stove pipe). RSA/Ejector 都是最新版。都准备给
Glock 打电话了，一个朋友怀疑是不是 Limp Wristing. 仔细看看 youtube 关于 limp
wrist 的问题，今天又去打了。
想找个人录像，就带着 in-law 老头子去 range. 我们一起打了 150 发，注意手腕力
量，没有卡壳，而且每个弹匣只有 1-2 发 brass 掉脑门上。老头子也打了 70-80 发
，我在边上仔细看 eject pattern, 居然每一发都完美 eject, 颗颗向右打在隔离板上
，真邪门了。难道要要练练手腕力量？ |
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 5 心理作用，你每次打USPC都是10环再这么说也来得及
GLOCK卡弹基本归功于limp wrist， 当然就这一点看，GLOCK limp wrist会卡那是
GLOCK的错。 |
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n*****s
发帖数: 343 | 6 真正的好文啊！ 把苏亚雷斯咬人事件当笑话看看太可惜了。 对他行为深层次的分析发
人深省。
一年多前的文章就预见了今天的悲剧。
The Psychology of Luis Suárez's Flawed Genius
24 Apr 2013 By Paul Waring
Luis Suárez is once again in the news for the wrong reasons. The latest
incident involving Suárez allegedly biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic was
captured by TV cameras at Anfield and has led to a media furore. There have
been calls for the severest possible action by both Liverpool and the FA.
This article considers how Suárez's genius is often accompanied by... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 7 today I played a very lucky hand in the casino. I limped in middle position
with pocket 7's after two limpers, the cutoff limped too, then the LAG on
the button raised, two blinds and both limpers and I called, surprisingly,
the CO made it 3 bets. Everyone called again. So 7 people put in 3 bets
preflop.
The flop came As9s7d , I flopped bottom set, but two spades on board. I bet
out with the intention of either button or CO making 2 bets to chase people
away. CO called, not surprisingly, button |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 8 you can also limp with AK in early positions and reraise big when button
tries to steal. When out of position, it's also not a bad play to
reraise allin with AK, but you have to balance the allin reraise with KK
sometimes, otherwise, good players may realize you only reraise allin
with AK and call you down with pairs. For AA, it's actually best to reraise
a good amount, but not allin to attract more money.
Also, Sklansky recomment a deep limp strategy, when there is a limper or two,
you still ca |
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z*****g
发帖数: 85 | 9 40/80 limited holdem game. Loose and passive.
1. One guy limp in at late position, button limp in, SB complete, and I
raised in BB with KQo. Flop came 567 all different suite. SB check, I check,
limper 1 bet, button call, SB call, I call. Turn card is 4 which made
straight possible. Everybody check, river is A. SB check, I bet out, limper
folded his hand and said 'worse and worse', button fold, SB thought for a
while and folded. I won with K high
2. 3 limpers including button. SB completed, I ch |
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z*****g
发帖数: 85 | 10 I read the article about bluff in limited hold'em by Jim Brier in current
issue of CardPlayer. I actually had same opinion on one scenario. I start it
with my own experience.
It was a loose medium-aggressive 40/80 hold'em game last year. Player A (a
loose passive guy) limps UTG. Player B (a loose, aggressive Indian guy)
limps UTG+1, I raised in the middle position with ATo, BB calls. Flop came
with 78J with 2 clubs, BB checks, UTG bet, UTG+1 calls, I calls, BB fold.
Turn is an A (not the club), |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 11 1/2 NL, buy-in 100. The table seems passive, many hands limping-in. You
are in early position AQ, limp-in, so as 6 others. The big blind seems to
be a good player. He has about 120 chips. He made a raise to 10. You
called, so as guy on button, others fold. The pot is about 40.
Flop A84 rainbow, the BB bet out 20. What should you do?
- fold
- call
- re-raise to 40
- re-raise all-in |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 12 preflop raise to 15 有点太少了，given there are several limpers，给小对子不
错的implied odds，在vegas感觉两张同花大牌和小对子都赶不走，只是build了一个比
较大的pot。flop之后已经保护不住了，AA扔不掉也没有办法，毕竟对手已经差不多
committed了，有set可能性不到1/8吧。
我也刚从vegas回来，小赢了一点。拿到两三次AA都是preflop解决战斗了。我发现他们
在每个street call的很松（1/2 & 1/3），像这种前边几个limper的，我看到
effective stack在200以上，我想大概有另两种打法，如果在第5，6位置，后边有agg
player，也limp，碰到后边有raise的，就是运气来了，否则就闭眼打到摊牌，如果
flop危险或者action很强也容易lay down。另外，如果后边人很怂爱limp，直接打到30
+，满足锅里那点钱了，当然碰到KK QQ
愿意拼一把很乐意，但是不给他比1:8更好的赔率。直接用数学能简单击败的对手我就
不愿意赌了。
lz看风格是喜欢tr |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 昨天13500KO有两把关键手打得极臭。
QJo at SB，MP guy (loose aggressive, all-in with bottom pair, but has big
stack) raises 3xBB, one short stack shoves with 2BB，i think for a min and
fold, BB calls.
board: JJT-7-2, BB bets on turn and kicks MP out. BB has 33 and shove guy
got J3o.
这把也就算了，毕竟俺stack还不错。
另一把，也是QJo，UTG limps，i limp(有点怕后面一小子), SB and BB in too.
flop: Q7s5s，UTG bets 2/3 pot，i put him on a weaker Q and raise double, he
hesitates but calls. turn is 9s, he shoves last 2000, i barely cover him
and call.. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 如果只有10bb，也就是M=6~7(chips/ (blinds+antes)),这种牌你只有一个打法，all-
in。22惨了点，55-77或者AK，AQ甚至AT，TQs，都是毫不犹豫的。
small pair这种牌这种筹码下绝对不能limp，面对任何后面跟着limp的(几乎可以肯定
至少是两张比你大的牌，还有多人)，你的赢面较低，对一个人是coin flip(假设人家
是两单张大牌)，对2人就差远了，等SB也跟了，BB一check，你就game over了。
先出手的威力很重要。
在tourney早期阶段，EP 55以下的牌基本可以直接扔掉，其他的66，77，88非常谨慎，
因为你的风险/回报率比较差。
EP |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 I do not know how many M I have. But I guess a lot, since only 2 ppl left,
we have all the chips, and the tourney is not a turbo one.
That game is crazy, I have 2:1 chip leader in the beginning. When I limp
the button, that guy shoves. When I raise the button, that guy shoves. When
I am in the blinds, he shoves. Every time, it is a 30-40BB shove, I just can
not call.
Finally I get unpatient, and limp with K7 suited, he shoves, I call, and
lose the game.
I do not know SAGE. What is that?
conclu |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 fold.
is this 1/2NL game?
JsQs is a "beautiful" but speculative hand (as harrington calls, most of time
a TROUBLE hand), WITHOUT position, you need to play it cheap and hit a big
flop, so:
1) your pre-flop call is problematic, 6BB limp/call is too much. if you
really want to play it, a raise like $7 is even better than limp/call;
2) you hit an OK flop only. yes, you hit your Q, but 80% of your hand
potentials are now gone (no spade flush, no straight draw). your hand is
actually much weaker than |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 17 和谐和谐,今天真爽,碰到一个vpip=70的大鱼, 然后我看到他limp我也limp,哈哈, 不过
丫运气真好, 总能draw out,或者直接flop full house, quads什么的 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 miniftop HU game,
Brazil buddy makes at least 2 big mistakes.
1. Limp pot, paired board, allin with one pair, the other guy has trips
2. Limp pot, flop a monster draw, and allin with it, should fold no matter
how big is the draw.
mitiftop Event #10
one guy is crazy, on final table, KO the other 7 or 8 guys.
Get lucky several pot, A4 vs AK, preflop allin, flop 2 pair
But he owns the table, doom to win, best performer on that table. -----
raise 75% pot
FTOP Event #10
the buddy squeeze with a |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 19 pretty nice suggestions. so do you often see similar players in 90SNG?
otherwise notes are not useful. also, in the early stage, do you limp much
more often than raise? i think once there're only 30 or less people left,
raise open is much more important. maybe the frequency should be: raise open
> limp = call raise > 3bet.
but i don't have time to play often... busy with family...
better |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 1. bluff is not right or wrong, but against who? with what stack? what if
busted? (can you still fold with healthy stack or you can call?)...
questions like this must be considered first.
he limps on button for a reason, 2K/4K are pretty high already, in this game
, when 6 left, ppl have average 50K chips (or 12BB), you can hardly bluff
much successfully, AND out of position, AND from pre-flop limped BB.
the size of raise is not very good, if he only calls, you'd have no idea
where you stand, ye |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 21 en. u made some good points.
limps, I am in small blinds, have qq, I repop to 5bb. utg limp raises to
15bb.
other possibility. |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 22 牌桌上是否有克星一说呢？ 可能还真有， 今天在赌场， 有一个人只要和我head-ups
， 不管手上什么牌， 他都输， 同时我和另一个人的head-ups都是我输， 真是奇了怪。
这个总输给我的这个人， 打得很LOOSE， 有一手他UTG RAISE $20 (我们打的是2/5NL)
， 中间两家CALL， 我在BUTTON拿QQ， re-raise到$100， 结果UTG PUSH ALL-IN $300
， 怎么办？主要是一来LOOSE， TT， JJ，AK 也敢ALL-IN， 二来POKER GOD站在我这
边， 最后还是CALL了， 结果是KK， RIVER了一张Q， 我BAD BEAT他了， 输了第二个$
300以后， 又去买了第三个$300。
过了一会他积累了大约$500(他LOOSE打法， 又偷又抢)， 我手上大约有$1000。 他在
BB， 我在后位， 前面有LIMP IN， 我拿7d9d, 也LIMP IN。POT大约$35，FLOP Ac7c8d
, BB bet $20, 其它人FOLD，我想他可能是很弱的A或者什么都没有又来抢dead money,
就CALL了 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 small PP is troublesome sometimes.
i got 66 the other day in MP, limped, button limped, BB (a semi TAG guy)
raised to 4.5x.
in normal situation, i tend to call because button showed weakness, and i
got position over BB post flop. worst case, i pay 3.5x extra only.
(in a previous hand, BB raised to 3x, and i smooth called with AA at SB,
flop KJ6. i "weak" bet half pot, he raised big, and i shoved, he called with
AKo, and he got lucky with TQ on turn/river for a chop)
so his range is Ax+ big for t |
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p*****s
发帖数: 33 | 24 Last night on Fulltilt,
Caught 2 ppls bluffing allins, both time they got lucky. Both hands have
about 80+BB.
Hand 1:
I have AQo at Botton-1. UTG raise to 2BB, 4 callers to me, I limp in,
botton raise all in 90BB
All fold to me, since Botton has used that several times when multiple pps
limp in 1BB or 2BB, I felt good to call with 60BB in my hand. Botton shows
45s, I lost.
Hand 2:
QQ UTG. Raise to 4BB, Botton and Botton-1 calls.
Flop 78K rainbow, bet 10BB to see where I stand, got called by b |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 well, i guess it has a few problems:
1) if you have KK at UTG, limping is not good since ppl tend to play Ax a
lot. if flop comes Axx (~28% chance), who do you do then? you might bet or
check/call one barrel, then what? no matter you/they check down or fold, you
're already paying the same or a higher price (than pre-flop raising), with
more risks and less reward involved;
2) even no ace on the flop, you still only have an over pair, limping would
"invite" a lot of other hands like 8s9s, 77, TJo |
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y**t
发帖数: 205 | 26 Agree all.
Limp AA/KK@UTG is optional as well as open raise with junk@UTG. Sometime I
do raise or limp/reraise with 92o etc@UTG in tourney early/middle stage.
not
better
like
of |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 hehe, i only play micro ones (<$5), straight forward.
1) limp (suited connectors, 77+, AT+) to see more flops at the early stage,
but avoid calling raises light. when hit, target those early loose guys for
a double up;
2) avoid limping when blinds are up. raise more at this stage with position.
when stack is only about 1/2-2/3 of starting stack, tighten up, so you can
still hurt somebody but not easily be called by somebody by odds;
3) bubble time, avoid big confrontations in multi way, can lay |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 呵呵，这牌看似好看，其实经不起多考虑，潜在价值并没有那末高。
全桌都limp? 那一定是play money的了。
1) flop:
没有任何straight的可能性，所以去掉了很多很多潜在客户。
某处还猫着个6x，可能性存在但很小。
Ax，肯定有的了，不过大家都limp，不会是强Ax，你可能得到一点value（flop, turn
or river），但是会很有限, paired board，静悄悄的，突然某个时候激烈起来，假设
你拿AT（还不错的了），你会很凶么？
小对子(< 88)？同上，中对子？(99, TT)，又有A又有pair，又那么多人......
flush draw（你居然不看花色?）其实倒是最可能搞出价值来的。如果你这个还是彩虹
，更没戏。
所以想清楚这些，这个牌一点没有激动的意义。
check是正常的了，2nd nut（AA概率忽略不计）。
bet一点其实比较好，一点没牌的，你给他多张牌看也没用，有点牌的，你至少还build
a little pot。
2) turn
再check有点太阴了，呵呵，同上，bet一点，似偷似诈似探都象，也给57，Ax这样的牌
一个继 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 29 Hand 2 is a fold on flop. Here is my take.
BB does not have a big pocket pair. because he will for sure reraise to
isolate. big pocket pair does not play well vs 3 limpers. His range is
suited connector or small pairs and such. Even though you raised preflop but
it is raised so little, i would consider this a limped pot. What is the old
saying again? don't go broke in a limped pot. He raised. his range are 2
pair, set, floped straight, straight+flush draws. His lowest range is
straight+flush d |
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t*****s
发帖数: 1240 | 30 早期位置limp很危险,现在很多人都会isolate limper,要是没有计划limp你的big hand
,会输不少钱.完全同意厨神的观点.
一般人的3bet都是<=5%,AQ+,TT+,这种时候就fold吧,人家就算make a play我们也没办
法.
要是3bet上了10%,很多时候就是polarized range (5%的big hand加5%+的suited trash)
这时候可以4bet or call in position.
一点浅见,见笑了.
this
steal
but |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 31 that's exactly why i won't limp every suited hand, especially in EP. If it's
offsuit, I throw it away in any position unless I can open raise at button
or cut off.
I would like to see more limpers if I do limp in A5s because:
1. someone may pay me off.
2. after flop the hand is kind of protected and maybe no one dare to bet.
one of them might slow play with a check but others won't bet, which is good
for my flush draw (if I get one).
If someone bets aggressively (like pot) and others already fol |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 32 open raise with A5s at EP is aggressive and I still feel uncomfortable about
that. So I usually fold some and limp some. But there's a problem with that
too. opponents would figure out my range easily: early position limp in
means small pair or Ax suited, hehe. And they will raise me or fold on a
flush board. That makes such limpin even less desirable.
draw
at
aggressively. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 exactly the point. You limp call raise make your hands face up and you have
no fold equity. open raise and play Axs aggressively in position is much
better.. if you limp fold you are wasting a lot of blinds, since it is very
common someone raise at CO or button and their hand might not even be that
good. The dead money in the pot easily can make the difference of +3bb/100
hand and -3bb/100 hand
about
that |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 i agree with the small pocket pairs. I never limp calling with small pair
anymore unless there are serveral person limping already and i am in MP.
Always open raise with them and the fold equity is nice to have. You open
utg with pocket deuce. CO call with pocket 6s to set farming. after flop
no one hit. you bet half pot and take down the pot easily. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 35 还好了,现在很多人aa喜欢limp 或者smooth call raise, 但是其实我不推荐limp 太多
aa, 你这几手牌是正好冤家牌,怎么都是all-in,其实这个和bottom set 碰到middle
set一样,没啥可说的了, 一般200bb以内我都会stack,200bb以上我可能会fold bottom/
middle set |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 36 1，79s在button可以steal了，可能你们桌比较passtive，limp也能看到folp。
postfolp没什么问题。
2，为什么要lead？你打的nl10，donk 60c into 85c? 这么强的donk 如果你的对手没
有A，你连赚他CBET的机会都没有
3，如果我是你我会reraise多一点点，如果对方很deep也可能会flat call。这样不管
turn是什么都是可all in了 因为commit了，你这样reraise flop 然后ck turn 太像
bluff cbet了，turn 不管来什么对手都可以all in bluff你。 既然你最后决定call，
就不该ck turn，尤其是对手不deep的情况下。
4，你不敢allin 怕他 runner runner flsuh？ 他什么牌会才call你的flop reraise
oop 还能成flush？9hjh,khqh这两个应该在flop reraise back，只有KhJh这个可能了
，但是3$只是一个halfsize pot bet，你没理由不call吧。
5，sb limp 29s，本身就 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 37 偶尔抓一两个AK/QQ 3bet就能翻倍。
我不是总limp in的， limp, 2bb, 3bb, 4bb交替来用， 看心情。 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 38 It is so true. But it is tough tough.
The best scenario is that there is 3BB proflop raise before you and you just
limp in.
If none, tough, tough. If just limp in, as you said, it exposes huge risk to
be beaten by trash hand.
Well, if you raise 3BB, 50+% chance are all fold and you just have SB/BB.
And you donot have AA/KK often.
I tried to raise 2BB but no good results. Seems 2BB is lethal than
3BB
pre-flop raise. More likely to have all others fold if you are at EP/MP.
the
never |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 I almost fold this hand on the flop. Thought for sure it is set of Q that he
is holding.
4 people limp in including utg. i am sb. so i just call.
after flop utg check, EP bets 40c, MP call 40c.. i raise to 3$, utg snap
raise to 6$ and everyone fold. i have 6$ left. if anyone else raise i
would snap shove, but utg it a lot look like limp in QQ and hit set... i
thought for a long time and reraised everything i left. i figure he could
have AhKh AA KK 33 as well.. luckily the hand holds... |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 40 RSUH, 10/25 NL
I had AA at CO. No one raise ahead of me. So I limped in (Do not want to
scare ppl off).
BTN limped. SB folded already.
BB had AKs(diamond) and bid 1.25$(5BB). Well, that was doing me a favor.
I bid 3$. BTN folded. He called.
Flop two diamond. BB all in and I called. Turn diamond and I was beaten.
I had 10$ and He had 15$(at front).
On Flop, pot=6.35$. He might not think I had AA. But even I had AA, He still
break even with all-in. Well, actually slightly below break-even, but clo |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 41 yes rush cash game... there are all kind of moron out there play like an idiot. if you call with top set then you probably will call other two flopped straight as well? i had 23 for that hand. to me it is really only 89 to worry about since he limped MP. who shove all in with nuts like this? but there are people who would limp in MP with 74o and push all in after wards. |
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a*****h
发帖数: 2182 | 42 很久没有在ftp打了，前段时间打得少，且都在PS，昨天一查，ftp白送5刀，再加上还有
500刀bonus，第一次试水rush
rush NL50，打了2个半小时，感觉有些明显水平高于这个level的人在里面打，太tight
不容易beat这个game，似乎网上流行的小球派比较适合。
基本打法，AA KK EP either limp or raise big, 8-10bb，limp可以找到机会rr，rai
se big flop之后好打了，基本100bb都可以handle
小对，suited connector，基本open都要小raise 2-3bb，一个偷盲，被rr之后看情况是
否跟
记得的几把牌,除了最后一把，有效stack基本都是100bb 或者以下
第一把记得的是个bb，kk ep raise 8bb, 中位call,it 40bb，flop J 10 3，我bet 10
bb，villain rr all in 我call，AJ，turn blank river J
第二把我sb open raise 3bb, bb rr 9,想了想，觉得bb没有什么，rr 27bb， |
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发帖数: 7793 | 43 he is sb. not MP.
on a side note. I have seen people limp reraise MP with QQ before and limp call with QQ too. :D but more often it is a small pair or AK |
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发帖数: 7793 | 44 Another one.
EP limp sb limp i check.
flop check around turn sb bets 2/3 pot I raise to 2.5X of his bet and he calls river he lead pot. i raise 2X pot and he shoves... call or fold.
what could sb have? |
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发帖数: 7793 | 45 It is appearing to me that there is no such thing as "only the better hand
will call" in microstake poker at least or "don't go broke on a limped pot"
( i consider this a pretty much limped pot because i will call with anything
with the odds). They will call all in with any thing....
his name is LazyOwnsU. |
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发帖数: 7793 | 46 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 愚人节？ even those don't work often for me anymore. I had a favorite line not long
ago, limp LP MP after EP UTG limp already and reraise all in vs someone
raise LP CO Button, sb bb etc. it worked well for a while.. lol even that doesn't work anymore... |
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发帖数: 7793 | 47 So i saw this guy limp raise utg all in with pocket 4s on one hand.. next
hand he is doing this limp raise at MP. i have pocket 10s. so i figured this
donk is doing the same thing again.. bam.. he has got pocket As.... 悲剧 |
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发帖数: 1989 | 48 Last Weekend, En Route to final table, 5+0.05(r+a) for 12K Guarantee
Early Final Stage. Avg Chip around 30K. Mine is 58K. 6-handed table (all way
down)
Preflop: I am at BTN with QJs. 3 limp-in upto me. I raise 4BB. QJs is not a
huge hand, but should be quite playable at 6-handed table vs all the limp-
ins. SB call, and all folded except CO call.
Flop : Q87 with flush draw. SB all in (short-stack). CO raise and all in. I
call, without even think it over. My mind was set at preflop, thinking my
ha |
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发帖数: 7793 | 49 (4) LAG Russian
With the game progressing, I started to fit in the game. There was no
big difference between live lows-stake and on-line micro-stake poker after
all, except maybe a little softer. The raising size pre-flop also varied
between 3X to 6X. There were plenty of family pots with 4-5 people limping in
, but after flop there were usually minimum actions. I started to limp in a
few hands here and there with position like suited connector or suited 1
gaper 86s 97s etc and of course |
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发帖数: 1989 | 50 If no one raise/limp-in before you, you can play it. O.W. better to throw it
away, except you decide to bluff with 4(+#of limp-in)X raise. |
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