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M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: MB80528 (肥猫(Contrarian)[食MM而肥]), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 美国人在处理空难中还是尊重事实的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 9 22:32:00 2013, 美东)
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最技巧的袒护，给人的感觉是公平的。
看那NTSB的女头人的不断潜移默化就知道，
她不断的给听众暗示，波音没错，韩司机有错。
如果你看不出，代表对米国不了解或英文水平不足。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/39922543.html |
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l*******e
发帖数: 309 | 3 已经在道歉了。NTSB说是Summer Intern 犯的错。 |
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g**8
发帖数: 4951 | 5 补充我上述帖子里提到的timeline
7月6日 美西时间上午11点左右，韩亚214航班空难发生
7月7日 美国时间，空难一天之后，华尔街日报已经给出了机长，副机长等完整机组人
员的明确名字。
http://blogs.wsj.com/dispatch/2013/07/07/asiana-co-pilot-hadnt-
The co-pilot who landed the Asiana flight that crash-landed in San Francisco
Saturday was Lee Kang-guk, born in 1967 and with just under 10,000 hours of
flying time, as Asiana spokesman said. He has previously landed aircraft at
San Francisco International but this was his first 777 landing at the
airport. He joined Asiana as a trainee i... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2741 | 6 http://www.khon2.com/news/national-news/asiana-crash-video-fire
CNN) -- There's new and disturbing video of the deadly crash landing of an
Asiana Airlines flight in San Francisco last summer.
The video shows San Francisco firefighters arriving at the scene, and it
also shows that a 16-year-old girl was on the ground outside the plane when
they arrived.
It was a dramatic crash, caught on tape. A tumbling Asiana Airline Boeing
777 crashing at San Francisco's international airport last July.
But i... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2300 | 7 NTSB wants ignition locks for all drunk drivers
By JOAN LOWY Associated Press Published: Dec 11, 2012 at 9:38 AM PST Last
Updated: Dec 11, 2012 at 10:45 AM PST
WASHINGTON (AP) - Every state should require all convicted drunken drivers,
including first-time offenders, to use devices that prevent them from
starting a car's engine if their breath tests positive for alcohol, the
National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.
This photo taken Sept. 24, 2011, provided by the National Transportatio... 阅读全帖 |
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s****i
发帖数: 5469 | 8 说高空高速飞的高爆大油桶安全的，擦个火花或在天上遇到强气流上下使劲抖一抖
就服气了。起飞的时候有V1这个极不安全因素（火车表示什么是V1？协和回答知道我是
怎么死的么），遇到情况也没办法快速避免风险，许多重要的部件还没有备份，这么多
不安全因素在一起，能比火车安全就见鬼了，统计数字如果得出了相反的结论，首先应
该看看统计数字是怎么来的而不是直接接受。火车再危险，一个急刹车加破窗而出就解
决大多数险情，飞机首先要找地方迫降，这是最基本的事实。至于你说的那个统计数字
，有没有想过如果换成按启动/起飞计算怎么样？又有什么统计数字能脱离细节预测到
前段时间旧金山机场的空难?
分析统计数字背后的故事，学习经验和教训，将来不给统计数字贡献一个不幸的“
1”，这是我们能做的，而不是直接把自己按统计数字大的那边套，否则要NTSB干嘛。
光看统计数字不看细节，那车祸的统计数字岂不更吓人，你还学开车么？ |
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b*****e
发帖数: 1264 | 9 飞了，很爽!
就是山地经验没怎么长。DA比场高还低，哈哈
这两天工作比较忙，没上来。只要没NTSB事故报告，咱就还活着，呵呵。
写了两篇又臭又长的日志，估计没人感兴趣，这次就不贴了。 |
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F***r
发帖数: 1685 | 11 美国当地时间周三，美国官方网站NTSB给出了发生在亚利桑那州COLLIDGE上空的撞击事
件的初步事故认定。
报告中包含了很多飞行专业术语，以下是全文翻译: |
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u*******m
发帖数: 3395 | 12 There was another accident of the same flight school. Some girl from China
was doing XC but turning back due to poor visibility, and clipped power line.
NTSB is still investigating. |
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g**8
发帖数: 4951 | 13 极其重要严重更新：
此次失事的客机是从汉城起飞的，刚刚在央视新闻中听到的：航班从上海飞往首尔，在
首尔换为波音777-200后飞往美国。也就是说该飞机与中国机场的地勤维护不存在任何
关系。昨天下午我开车的时候，听广播里第一次记者招待会上，ntsb还不是sfo的官员
说，根据韩亚通报，此飞机自上海起飞，如果这不是韩亚严重失职，都查不准飞机调度
严格纪录，就是刻意制造误导潜意识了，很恶心！昨晚foxnews上就有主持人叫唤说要
查清此飞机的飞航调度纪录，就是那种味道的附和。韩亚很恶心！ |
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b*s
发帖数: 82482 | 14 国内没有NTSB的对等机构？
国内作东西目前就是这样一个状态。很多行业都是如此。比如现在热火朝天的电动公共
汽车，弄一个轻便的架子放上两吨炸药---说错了，是比炸药稍微好点的电池---就敢上
路！这要是出个车祸着起火来，车上拉多少人就要活活烧死多少人！连司机都跑不出来。 |
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b*s
发帖数: 82482 | 15 但是，如果是到了public transportation的程度，NTSB就会插手，这个跟技术规范是
两码事...
行业里的人都知道，但是没人公开说出来，靠政府采购使劲捞一笔算一笔。不出事的话
，从领导到制造商到运营商到乘客到一般市民都会很高兴。而且没人违法：中国目前的
法规只约束传统汽车，电动汽车理论上不用遵守任何技术规范！只要外表看上去不错就
行。 |
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发帖数: 23939 | 17 最新消息：美国航空安全管理委员会NTSB正在调查－－
救援工作人员的救火车可能在紧急救援过程中导致其中一名中国少女死亡。现在正在确
定中国少女是否在被救火车撞之前就已去世。
http://nbclosangeles/news/national-international/Fire-Truck-May
Fire Truck May Have Run Over Asiana Plane Crash Victim
The coroner tells NBC Bay Area they were alerted by the San Francisco Fire
Department "that a fire truck may have played a role in the death of one of
the girls." |
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M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 18 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: MB80528 (肥猫(Contrarian)[食MM而肥]), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 美国人在处理空难中还是尊重事实的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 9 22:32:00 2013, 美东)
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最技巧的袒护，给人的感觉是公平的。
看那NTSB的女头人的不断潜移默化就知道，
她不断的给听众暗示，波音没错，韩司机有错。
如果你看不出，代表对米国不了解或英文水平不足。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/39922543.html |
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l*******g
发帖数: 271 | 19 "Regarding the KTVU-TV's demeaning report of the pilots on July 12, Asiana
Airlines is reviewing possible legal action against KTVU-TV and the NTSB,"
it says in a statement to CNN. Asiana says its reputation and that of its
pilots have been "seriously damaged" by the report.
The National Transportation Safety Board also issued a statement where it
says it "apologizes for inaccurate and offensive names that were mistakenly
confirmed as those of the pilots."
The Asian American Journalists Associat... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1563 | 20 Highlights of Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak's statement on MH370
1、It is confirmed that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting
System (ACARS) was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast
of peninsular Malaysia.
2、Later, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off near the border
between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control.
3、The aircraft shown in Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar previously
is confirmed as flight MH370. This is based on raw sa... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********r
发帖数: 4612 | 21 【 以下文字转载自 History 讨论区 】
发信人: fairbanks (PAI), 信区: History
标 题: 棒子飞行员有SB的历史传统
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Aug 31 12:09:45 2011, 美东)
1976年8月2日，一架波音707货机从伊朗首都德黑兰飞往首尔。飞机从29号跑道起飞升
空后，没有按照标准仪表离场规则进行左转，而是右转飞向一座山头。飞机在海拔2020
米(6630英呎)高度撞山坠毁，5名机组人员全部罹难。
1978年4月20日，大韩航空902号班机（波音707），由法国巴黎飞往美国阿拉斯加州安
克雷奇市。在距离北极点780公里处，加拿大航空管制员告知该航班的飞师，飞机已偏
离预定航线。机师未能正确执行操作，反而将飞机偏航至白令海上空，而此处刚好是苏
联领空。苏联派出苏15战斗机进行拦截，发射两枚P-60导弹，使左翼严重受损，客机降
落在科皮亚维湖(Lake Korpijärvi)的冰面上。
1983年9月1日，大韩航空007号班机 误闯苏联领空，遭苏联空军战斗机击落于库页岛西
南方的公海。269人遇难。
1989... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1651 | 23 薄熙来涉策划空难致112人死亡
信源：《每日邮报》｜编辑：2012-04-23｜ 网址：
薄熙来事件正在爆出更多惊人内幕。近日，有消息指，调查人员怀疑薄熙来夫妇与10年
前一宗空难有关。当时，一架飞机准备在大连机场降落时，失事坠海，机上112人罹难。
英媒引述消息称，薄熙来与妻子谷开来为铲除政敌，于2002年下令向一架飞机发动袭击
，在该架飞机飞近大连时把它炸毁。2002年大连空难的遇难者中包括中国国家安全部人
事司司长特别助理李岩峰。据知情人透露，李岩峰的丈夫韩晓光是大连嘉信国际酒店的
老板，与大连市委书记于学祥，宣传部长董长海关系密切，他们都是薄熙来恨之入骨的
政敌。
报道说，2001年李岩峰丈夫韩晓光被薄熙来从北京抓回拘押在大连开发区看守所。2002
年5月7日，李岩峰带了为丈夫求情的书信由北京乘飞机到大连，就在那天发生了震惊世
界的“5•7空难”。消息指，空难发生当天，薄熙来“恰好”去了德国。在遇难
者中，唯有“李岩峰”一人只注明是北京人，而没有职务等其他详情资料。
这家英国媒体说，中国官方称是买了七张保险单的张丕林为了骗保而杀死了机上乘客。
但大连消息人士透露张极... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 21566 | 24 《每日邮报》报道11日报道：日前，美国国家运输安全委员会(NTSB)就托马斯一家死于
直升机坠毁一事向媒体作了公布，技术人员对直升机的黑匣子进行了修复，找到了事故
发生前机上五人的对话，认为这起事故是由托马斯5岁的女儿引起的。
美国富豪托马斯老来得女，十分宠溺。2010年2月14日，他与妻女及小舅乘坐私人直升
机回家时，纵容5岁幼女悉尼坐到副驾驶位，谁知女孩竟踢坏驾驶系统，飞机坠毁，全
员遇难。
托马斯的最后一句话是在悉尼踢了操作系统之后，狠狠批评她的话，之后就听到飞行员
里克大喊“糟糕，操作系统失灵”，一阵杂音后，又听到里克惊呼“飞机要坠毁了”，
之后就再也没了声音。飞机最后坠毁在凯维河一段干涸的河床上。 |
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s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 25 http://news.yahoo.com/ntsb-probes-case-texting-helicopter-07214
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The pilot of a medical helicopter that ran out of fuel
and crashed, killing four people, was distracted by text messages when he
should have been conducting pre-flight checks, accident investigators said
Tuesday.
该驾驶员忙于收发text message, 而忘记了检查机上的油量，结果升空之后就因为油量
用光而坠落，机上4人全部丧生。 |
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a***8
发帖数: 218 | 26 Make sense
不过CNN这也就炒作炒作，其实过往大部分飞机出事时， NTSB都会搞飞行模拟还原还原 |
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r*s
发帖数: 2555 | 27 DENVER — Federal investigators say selfies were a likely factor in a small
plane crash near Denver last year that killed two.
The National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday that it appears likely
the pilot was disoriented and lost control of the airplane. Recordings from
a GoPro camera found in the wreckage show the pilot and passenger
repeatedly taking photographs of themselves with their cellphones during
previous flights that day, although there was no video of the deadly flight.
The N... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3835 | 28 US FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt says all 85 air carriers the agency
inspected in the aftermath of the February 2009 Colgan Air Q400 crash now
have remedial training in place, and programmes designed to "identify, track
and manage low-time flight crew members and those who have failed
evaluation events or demonstrated a repetitive need for additional training".
Testimony from a May public hearing held by the US National Transportation
Safety Board (NTSB) on the Colgan crash showed that the air |
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发帖数: 3835 | 29 The National Transportation Safety Board, which probes plane, train, ship
and highway crashes, wants to expand its purview to cover commercial
spacecraft mishaps and accidents.
This week, the safety board for the first time asked Congress to explicitly
give it primary investigative authority over accidents involving commercial
space vehicles. As part of the request submitted to the House Transportation
subcommittee on aviation, Deborah Hersman, the board's chairman, also
reiterated that lawmaker |
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发帖数: 3835 | 30 The Airline Pilots Association is furious about the probable cause issued by
the National Transportation Safety Board in the crash of Continental
Express flight 3407, (Colgan Air http://www.colganair.com/) and not just because the labor union exists to look out for the best interests of its members. No, ALPA is outraged because in determining what happened to Continental Express flight 3407, the NTSB focused on a symptom and ignored the cause.
Following a hearing on February 2, the board determi |
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d*********e
发帖数: 3835 | 31 Lowell, MA, 18 February 2010 - OuterLink Corporation, a leading provider of
satellite-based mobile asset management solutions, today announced the
development and certification of a new, lightweight Flight Data System in
conjunction with PHI, Inc.
OuterLink and PHI have taken the lead in addressing recent NTSB safety
recommendations by jointly developing and certifying a comprehensive Flight
Data System that collects and records voice, video and aircraft flight data.
The OuterLink FDS incorporat |
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d*********e
发帖数: 3835 | 32 The National Transportation Safety Board wants to have routine access to
conversations recorded on cockpit voice recorders like this one.
By Alan Levin, USA TODAY
Government investigators are making an unprecedented push to use "black box"
voice recordings to routinely monitor pilots' conversations and make sure
cockpit crews are focusing on their jobs.
The move represents the first time that workplace monitoring could extend
into the nation's cockpits and has drawn intense fire from pilots' uni |
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d*********e
发帖数: 3835 | 33 IMPROVEMENTS
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Washington, DC -- Today the National Transportation Safety
Board adopted a study concluding that single engine
airplanes equipped with glass cockpits had no better overall
safety record than airplanes with conventional
instrumentation.
The safety study, which was adopted unanimously by the
Safety Board, was initiated more than a year ago to
determine if light airplanes equipped with digital primary
flight displays, often referred to as "glass cockpits," were
inherently safer |
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发帖数: 3835 | 34 The Associated Press
Sunday, March 21, 2010 | 12:25 a.m.
Federal safety officials recommended Thursday that better communications
procedures be adopted in the wake of a fatal Montana plane crash and a
Northwest Airlines flight that overshot the Minneapolis airport by more than
100 miles last year.
The National Transportation Safety Board issued its recommendations to the
Federal Aviation Administration, which runs the nation's air traffic control
system. The report comes after the board investig |
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发帖数: 3835 | 35 Airline Director of Safety (DOS), Boise, Idaho
Xtra Airways http://www.xtraairways.com , a 14 CFR part 121 air carrier, is accepting applications for a Director of Safety.
The DOS has overall responsibility to develop, implement and maintain a
comprehensive safety program.
1. The duties and responsibilities of the DOS include:
· Integration of SMS.
· Monitor and report to senior management on all air carrier
activities that may have an impact on safety.
· Establis... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****g
发帖数: 3871 | 36 ONE MORE
Airplane Accident ATL88FA082Augusta, Georgia
This accident took place on 01/18/1988 in Augusta, Georgia. Fortunately, no
one was killed but 1 person was seriously injured. There were 3 minor
injuries
Location NTSB Information Key Facts General Information
Event Date
01/18/1988
Country United States
Compare United States Airplane Accidents
Injury Severity
Non-Fatal
Type of Event
Accident
Aircraft Damage
Destroyed
Weather Condition
Instrument meteorological conditi... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****e
发帖数: 1264 | 37 飞了，很爽!
就是山地经验没怎么长。DA比场高还低，哈哈
这两天工作比较忙，没上来。只要没NTSB事故报告，咱就还活着，呵呵。
写了两篇又臭又长的日志，估计没人感兴趣，这次就不贴了。 |
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s******x
发帖数: 15232 | 39 【 以下文字转载自 FLY 俱乐部 】
发信人: alexalexii (alex_alexii), 信区: FLY
标 题: [新闻]美布法罗空难原因公开 飞行员玩忽职守害死50人
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed May 13 20:20:06 2009)
今年2月失事于美国纽约州布法罗市的飞机黑匣子记录本月12日公开。当专家破解飞机
坠毁前几分钟的情况时，他们发现，飞行员的玩忽职守和无知操作可能是这场悲剧的主
要原因。
今年2月12日，这架巅峰航空公司(Pinnacle Airlines)从新泽西州纽瓦克市飞向布
法罗的庞巴迪Q400型小型客机，在将要着陆布法罗尼亚加拉国际机场时，坠毁在机场所
在地克拉伦斯镇的一幢民居上，造成地面上的1人和飞机上的所有49人死亡，其中包括
美籍华人郭兆方和中国籍女子姚世彬，后者曾任职于普华永道会计师事务所。
关键时刻聊“山海经”
本月12日，美国国家运输安全委员会(NTSB)在华盛顿开始了为期3天的听证会，详
细了解布法罗空难的原因。根据黑匣子的记录，机上的机长马尔文·伦斯洛(Marvin
Renslow)和副机长丽贝卡·肖(Rebecc |
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