x***m
发帖数: 140 | 1 Super post. Thanks LZ for sharing.
I was also surprised initially by the training background of the
pathologists LZ described.
Dok's incisive comment and examples are great to read. Hope you won't become
too gentle, although you said you won't.
Really like to read posts that are fun, or full of infomation, but also like
to read posts that have incisive comments on things happen around us. |
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l**x
发帖数: 296 | 2 上了几天班了，写点感想先：
我们第一年基本都是AP和autopsy call. AP的schedule基本上是7：30am到5:00pm. 一
天grossing,一天sign out big cases,之中穿插lecture和biopsy.如果on autopsy
call,那就啥活都不用干，专门等autopsy.
Grossing: 就是orient标本和dictate有点不习惯，但是感觉慢慢在变好，因为我们是
sub-specialized,所以不用一个人处理所有的标本，grossing day 最多干活干到六点
多，如果有太多的标本，院总就自己给弄完了，这一点实在是很spoil我们了。
Sign out big cases: 这个挺有意思，就是找attending pathologist一起sign out,和
他们边聊天边学东西。不同的attending喜好都不一样，所以现在gross的时候拿不准都
会打电话问一下或者直接叫他们来。
Program对我们这两个月的要求是熟悉正常的histology,感觉要求挺靠谱，就是自己没啥太大的motivation学习，先检讨一下。
和 |
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y*****t
发帖数: 264 | 3 How about your opinions about autopsy of M.J. ? Do you know the hired pathologist by MJ's family? 谈谈吧,早就想问你了. |
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c*********r
发帖数: 541 | 4 恩，这个最好不要8，就是8也要私下8
pathologist by MJ's family? 谈谈吧,早就想问你了. |
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l**x
发帖数: 296 | 5 我们医院对这种事管的可严乐，还别说我真是不知道，就算是真知道了也不敢说。
Patient record如果没有正当原因也都是不能随便查的。
How's everything with you?
pathologist by MJ's family? 谈谈吧,早就想问你了. |
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p******6
发帖数: 410 | 6 我在OASIS上找到相应要表格的地方，然后填入推荐人的信息。发现你可以一次填入多
个推荐人，不知道是不是一下子就把
所有推荐人都填进去，给他们排上1－4的座次，然后一张表打4份，每人一份，只是每
人的都有自己相应的那一栏标记起
来。
我现在是每次都填一个推荐人，然后把表打出来，这样做4次，分别是针对每个不同推
荐人的，是不是也行？这样打出来的
表格上面会显示每个推荐人都是LOR #1,不知道有没有问题？
此外，我正在犹豫第4个推荐人人选。有一位和我很熟的教授，同系的美国人，认识将
近6年了，是个PhD,人有点大大咧咧
的，比较粗心大意，但人很好；还有一位就是我最近做observer时带过我4－5次的
pathologist，他是某个private group
的medical director， 是一流program培训出来的，好像和以前的program还有很多联
系（不过我没打算申请那个
program),对我非常好，愿意给我写推荐信，但是我担心他不可能写的太长或者太
personal,毕竟接触的时间不算长。我之
前已经有一位做observer时的attending答应给我写推荐信了 |
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h******u
发帖数: 602 | 7 I did not start yet.
But as far as I understand, you can send more than 4 LOR to ERAS and you
choose at most 4 of them to programs you apply.I might be wrong.
Based on your previous post, the pathologist you recently work with seems
very impressed by your OB, so why not ask a letter from him? |
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b**3
发帖数: 16 | 8 It is so encouraging!! You are always helpful, thanks a lot.
One more silly Q: Is the LOR from the PD of my current program helpful(
surgeon but not pathologist)? |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 9 if you can find a pathologist to write LoR, that's great.
if not, that's OK and no big deal.
surgeon's LoR is powerful enough if they do write a good and strongly
supporting one.
GL.
dok |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 10 ANYONE who want to be a good pathologist MUST read HISTOLOGY repeatedly and
good at it!!!
otherwise, u r in more trouble later!!!
read and watch those photo of different tissue and organs to make them
images into your brain!
even u need identify which part of the stomach--antroum, body or cardiac
areas!!! because different areas present different diseases sometimes and H
pylori!
seems after match, u didn't spend enough time on histology and warm up.
You pay and get what you deserved.
One CMG cal |
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j**d
发帖数: 36 | 11 1,Ph.D的经历放在education一栏,那么在experience一栏还需要按graduate research
assistant算作research experience吗?
2,在中国医学院毕业后的内科学硕士经历是放在education呢,还是medical education
呢?或者是放进training呢?做过的临床相关研究也需要算做research experience吗?
3,中国发表的文章和参加的书的章节编写要写进去吗?
4,Ph.D老板同意写LOR,但是觉得不知道写什么,我是该主动说自己写草稿呢,还是跟她说
主要内容呢?我想主要是忙吧,没仔细想,否则肯定知道能写什么,因为同为IMG,而现在她
是pathologist.
谢谢! |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 12 Just some suggestions.
- Ph.D. degree - "education"
experience吗?
- In "research experience", it's better to use each major project as the
entry. "Research Assistant" is your title.
education呢?或者是放进training呢?
- Master degree in medical school is "medical education".
做过的临床相关研究也需要算做research experience吗?
- Yes, enter the major projects
- Yes. If you have enough publications, only list the important ones.
说主要内容呢?我想主要是忙吧,没仔细想,否则肯定知道能写什么,因为同为IMG,而现在
她是pathologist.
- Talk to her and let her decide. |
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c*******c
发帖数: 62 | 13 mark7 - 感谢你的祝福。
sunshadow - 请客归请客，唱歌还是可以去啊。我九月二十五回美国，到时再打电话跟
你约囉。累到不行还会睡不著，你的生理机能还真是特殊。
xiaomaguohe - 我会向大家回来报告的，希望到时可以拿几个 prematch offer。
md2008 - 谢谢你的讚美。
ericusa - Thanks for the advice. I've already got 4 strong LoRs from US
pathologists, and I'll be doing some hematopathology research for a few
months later this year.
icebluee - 谢谢，希望不会让大家等太久。 |
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e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 14 Unlike other professions, the number of medical residency slots is
controlled so it's very unlikely with too many over-supplied physicians. Of
course due to miscalculations over-supply happened for some specialties in
the past. Overall, the job security for physicians is pretty good. It's
tougher to get any good jobs in coasts and some big cities, and there are
more job openings in underserved areas. Right now the job market is tight
for CT surgeons and pathologists, for example. |
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x***m
发帖数: 140 | 15 lemonhh- 99/99/pass/99, GC, 2003, some publications
peace4all- 82S1, 89S2, CS Passed. Transfusion Medicine from India. Working
in Clinical Lab in US from 2003. Few publications. Applying for combined AP/CP.
sharp- 99 S1, 98 S2, CS passed. US fresh PhD, 9 years away from med school,
no working experience, several non-first author papers and >10 conference posters and 1 platform presentation; need H1 visa. LOR: 2 US PhD professors and 2
pathologists from private groups. 1.5 months part-time obse |
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p******6
发帖数: 410 | 16 我的推荐人两个是做research的教授，其中一个是我的导师，这两位对我很了解也很欣
赏我，都说会给我写最好的推荐。还有两个是做observer时的pathologists,都不是大
学里的，不过好像在圈内还有些名气，都是很认真热情的人，我在管他们要推荐信之前
都强调过信要specific,individulized,希望能注重在临床方面的潜质，而且给了他们
一个大概的instruction,他们都说的没问题。只是他们两个都很忙，都拖了一阵才帮我
发的信，不知道是不是仓促写的。但应该不会是negative的。 |
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a*******8
发帖数: 4 | 17 It happened that an individual was accepted into a pathology program when he
or she had a few interviews (1-3). Their USMLE performance was poor and
they are considered as an “old CMG”. I understand that the situations have
changed throughout these years. Many applicants have high scores. However,
USMLE performance is not the only component considered by most programs.
As an academic pathologist, I totally agree with dok that it is extremely
important to prepare well for each interview.
Keep yo |
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a*******8
发帖数: 4 | 18 It happened that an individual was accepted into a pathology program when he
or she had a few interviews (1-3). Their USMLE performance was poor and
they are considered as an “old CMG”. I understand that the situations have
changed throughout these years. Many applicants have high scores. However,
USMLE performance is not the only component considered by most programs.
As an academic pathologist, I totally agree with dok that it is extremely
important to prepare well for each interview.
Keep yo |
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x***m
发帖数: 140 | 19 Pipi, Thanks for your words. Yes, we need to be patient. Especially me. The
rejection I got is from Cornell.
The IV list really looks good now. Congratulations to all who got IVs today.
Another thing, talking of baylor reminded me that I listened to a talk by
the PC of the department of pathology in U of Michigan. They are moving/
already moved to a new building Pfizer built but sold. He was trying to
attacting more pathologists to be there after the talk. So they are probably
expanding and re |
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d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 20 I'd feel sorry for our CMGs who had/have strong research background!!!!!!!
NIH path AP only should be a very good target for you guys with strong
research, and you will be greatly appreciated by those academic pathologists.
More important: AP only is just 3-yr in AP, and you can take then 2
fellowships for another 2 yrs. this way, you have very strong background in
surgical path but spend same time in training comparing to AP/CP combined
with one fellowship guys!!!
In my opinion, this is the bes |
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h******u
发帖数: 602 | 21 他们要求绿卡，我再去确定一下。
pathologists.
in |
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x***m
发帖数: 140 | 22 Pipi, I agree with you that this kind of special program is a good thing,
nothing to be ashamed of them. It provides an great option for people who
are really interested in research but still want to be a pathologist.
I did apply to this program and that's the only one I may consider moving my
family if there is a chance. Of course, I am not counting on it given my
background.
Good luck to those people who is applying to this program. That's where you
absolutely don't need to worry about funding |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 23 One of my classmates, actually my roommate when in collage back 30 yrs ago,
graduated from NIH 3-yr AP-only, and got fellowship of GU from Harvard,
enter a univ-pg for yrs and now jumped to private to earn big money.
All depending on how you yourself are trained during residency in a given
program not program itself!
As many super pathologists were from small pg or academic one or community
one, they successed not bcz of their program but themself's strive and hard
working.
NIH is an academic or |
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i***i
发帖数: 33 | 24 As I said, my scores are poor, both steps around 90. I am doing postdoc now
in a top institute and published
few good papers. My boss is super nice and supportive. I established many
connections because of him. I
agree with Pipi, we CMG candidates should focus on research oriented
programs and demonstrate to them
that we are going to be excellent academic pathologists.
it |
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i****h
发帖数: 71 | 25 The program at UT is unique that it has a dozen places that the residents
can do rotation, including private group setting and academic setting. The
chief resident picked up all four of us interviewees at the hotel in the
morning, which is very nice.
The talk with pathologists is relaxed, with all common questions. But it is
difficult to answer them perfectly with the right tone, facial expression
and gestures etc without a lot of practice. I'd say the most difficult part
of the IV process for |
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i****h
发帖数: 71 | 26 The program at UT is unique that it has a dozen places that the residents
can do rotation, including private group setting and academic setting. The
chief resident picked up all four of us interviewees at the hotel in the
morning, which is very nice.
The talk with pathologists is relaxed, with all common questions. But it is
difficult to answer them perfectly with the right tone, facial expression
and gestures etc without a lot of practice. I'd say the most difficult part
of the IV process for m |
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x******3
发帖数: 15 | 27 Based on my understanding, you don't have to be in your resident's program
for fellowship training. Since we all have strong research background, I
always say that I want to do surgical fellowship. If you want to be a good (
market value)AP/CP pathologist, surgical path is a must. Please correct me
if I am wrong.
Good Luck! |
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p******6
发帖数: 410 | 28 I am rejected by Baystate twice, too. They must have really disliked my
application, hehe...
I also got rejection from Emory, but even rejection is much better than no
response.
Coalminer, I have heard there are some famous pathologists in U Missouri-
Columbia, and you can afford a nice big house during residency in Columbia.
Most of their graduates went to private practice. Not sure about UTM, but
have heard they have some affiliation with St Jude Children hospital, which
is a very famous one. |
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h******u
发帖数: 602 | 29 I interviewed at two places and most pathologists do not have much research
experience, so I even do not have a chance to present my research. This may
be different in top schools..... |
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s*********1
发帖数: 16 | 30 NIH 面试
这里比较特别，所有的标本都来自clinical trials. 标本的处理上，和普通的医院也
有所不同，因为要遵守临床试验的protocol. 但第二年有机会去其他医院轮转几个月,
比如George Washington Univ, JHU, 看看一些普通的病例.
三年AP 结束，可以选择留下来继续做科研，也可以选择去别的地方做fellowship.
这里出来的人，大部分都是academic pathologist. 但完全做基础研究的还只是其中一
少部分. 不过，面试的时候，会被反复问到，你将来想做百分之多少的临床，百分之多
少的科研.
去NIH 面试，除了报销机票之外，还会给几百刀的"差旅费". 这部分钱是固定的，如果
你花得比较省，剩下的也归自己. |
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S****8
发帖数: 1212 | 31 Indiana and South Carolina 都早早把我拒了(九月中申的），所以maybe necessary
but not sufficient; 我感觉象我这样的〉10year 和non-green card (EAD doesn't
account), 大概过不了大部分program PC 筛选那关；我实在没想到今年会这么惨，
step 1 260+， step 2 250+, cs first time pass, US Ph.D., multiple so so pub
and several fellowships, 3-month ob in a very good univ program and 3 LOR
from pathologists in this program, still only 3 iv after applying 80+
program (most applied in Mid-Sep). |
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h******u
发帖数: 602 | 32 这太不正常了。我实在想不出你为啥只拿到3个IV。肯定是那方面出了问题，是不是
recommendation letter?
我的条件没有一项比你强的。>10 years， dependent EAD, step 1 and step 2 both
<240, no fellowship,no any clinical experience。有一封pathologist的推荐信但
基本没用。
necessary
pub |
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n********u
发帖数: 22 | 33 Although you have 3 good letters from OB pathologists, it is better you have
a letter from phD advisor. During OB, you only have several month
experience with them. |
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u****e
发帖数: 200 | 34 找到 sand08 成绩了.可以回答很多人的问题了.
Indiana and South Carolina 都早早把我拒了(九月中申的），所以maybe necessary
but not sufficient; 我感觉象我这样的〉10year 和non-green card (EAD doesn't
account), 大概过不了大部分program PC 筛选那关；我实在没想到今年会这么惨，
step 1 260+， step 2 250+, cs first time pass, US Ph.D., multiple so so pub
and several fellowships, 3-month ob in a very good univ program and 3 LOR
from pathologists in this program, still only 3 iv after applying 80+
program (most applied in Mid-Sep). |
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J*J
发帖数: 201 | 35 别景仰，我又得钻地洞了。
病理这条线上有超高分的，有好文章无数的，有名校Ph.D.的，这些我都没有，所以都
不好意思上来报名。我还有致命缺陷: 2年的gap，old graduate.所以每受到一个面试
邀请，我都觉得幸运，舍不得cancel。
推荐信三封，2 Ph.D, 1 Pathologist(from OB). 没有一个牛人，信本身很强。
8 Publications, only 2 一作，一篇还是中文的。
可能会加分的因素是国内一年病理经验，NIH pre-doctoral research training grant
,以及绿卡。
每个地方挑人的标准都不一样，面试过程更是青菜萝卜各有所爱。
Good luck. |
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i*********t
发帖数: 78 | 36 PTA是 pathologist assistant吗？
91,
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w******l
发帖数: 10 | 37 好像大家都不太明白Pathology PA是干啥的？
就我所知基本上是大体取材和冰冻取材。基本不涉及看片子（可能也有，但是我不知道
）。
Dictation很容易，和语言水平关系不大。有现成的template在那里，大部分时间填空
就好了。但是语言交流水平，当然不管你做什么，都是要有的。你需要经常跟
pathologist交流。另外就是扎实的医学解剖病理基本功。
我们这里有一个国人PA,只做了几个月，被炒了。他语言还好。
做什么都不容易。
在美国，对于一个职业，我觉得喜欢不喜欢很难说。有个稳定、secured的、工资不低
的工作就是成功。这么多申请病理的，有几个人真正干过病理，并真正喜欢当病理医生
的？ |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 38 I think what he/she mentioned is the cytopath assistant, who is mainly
screen cytopath slides and circle the suspicious areas then let
cytopathlogist read and confirm and finalize report. they save a lot of time
for pathologists.
Actually, Path assistant is very competetive now, only 8 programs nationawide, and basically are young americans took the position.
Cytopath assistant is relatively more positions nationwide and more programs, and relatively easier to get in. It's a decent job and well |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 40 OK, let me give my idea on this issue and its order based on the importance
in my mind:
for me, as a pathologist,
1. Working environment you feel comfortable or happy, will be appreciated by
your Chair/PD and peers......
2. academic program, to do clinic, teaching, and research combined or at
least you can chose.....
3. geographic and salary is totally compromise to above.......
con for your achievement and eventually training done as a CMG surgeon from
a famous US surgery program fellowship!
pr |
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m***d
发帖数: 441 | 41 Pathology也可以和biomedical science沾边，你申请OPT的时候可以说以后的职位是
Pathologist,然后让你导师签字说和你学位有关，USCIS那群人才没有时间去想这件事
情。 |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 42 I myself now is AP only academic pathologist, working at Univ hospital--75%
clinic, 25% academic. % is negotiable, some can be 100% in clinic, some can
be 20% clinic but 80% in academic. all depending on yourself and dept
requirment and job negotiation.
if you want to apply pathology, better have an oberservation at Path dept,
and get all these definitions clear. Otherwise, at interview, it's hard to
convience interviewers you are truely interested in path--not know such
simple things when being |
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v*****n
发帖数: 25 | 43 你应该在NYC吧。（or can be philly)
怎么说呢。NYU是全美国最好申请的学校了吧。因为每年十万的学费。连美国人都不愿
意读。东岸private school应该对国际学生是相当宽容的。即使columbia我也见到过有
申请成功的。所以还是可以尝试的。
只是你的出发点有点问题。你如果要做oral pathology/oral cancer research，基本
上和private practice 说再见了。出来基本上教书了。而且oral pathologist 培训的
时间长，要做residency。预科，牙医学院，住院一路下来八到十年了。
pre-requistie，身份，贷款都是花钱花时间花精力可以克服的问题。申请私立大学只
要有美国的本科学位和足够的钱，应该是可行的。关键是六年的时间和几十万的贷款。
这个机会成本不小。
感觉你对dentistry 在美国的基本情况还不是了解太多。建议多去私人诊所看看，感受
一下。很少有人pratice并且research的。应该说整个行业非常“向钱看”。所以
research基本上被称为loser的选择。你觉得NYC/phil |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 44 No, CND$. pathologist! entry level can be $250-300K.
but that province has no province tax! you got 8% more,and low living
expensis. |
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h******l
发帖数: 238 | 45 这些问题，我觉得你已经有答案了吧，这不过上来确认一下而已。
我就给你确认一下吧，两个问题的回答都是YES.
病理专业住院医，如果看NRMP统计数据，IMG比例基本没有变化，但是这几年无论是IMG
还是AMG的水平都提高了很多，现在申请病理的CMG个个都是牛人。你稍微有一些缺点，
都有可能是致命的。其实你现在要是在国内做病理医生，可以想办法通过交流学习的方
式出来做 visiting pathologist，自己想办法找找门路。 |
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h******l
发帖数: 238 | 46 我觉得某些时候，科研背景也变成一种负担。UTSW似乎好多年不招CMG了，给CMG面试基
本上就是动员你去做Physician Scientist的，你如果没兴趣做，这面试也算废了。
我个人认为，病理专业做Physician Scientist完全没有必要，有PHD的老中，想做科研
啥时候都可以轻松入行。我FELLOWSHIP面试的时候，几个FACULTY问我你是准备做PI还
是准备做DIAGNOSTIC PATHOLOGIST，我心想我要是做PI还浪费感情做住院医干嘛。 |
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j****2
发帖数: 6 | 47 问题是：CP only对我来说是否可行？
我的情况：
国内医学院 毕业〉10年，
US pHD， 绿卡，
老公是一faculty，不可能跟我到处move, 我是俩宝妈，自己也不能到处move.
99/98/CS scheduled
现在一很不错的医学院的病理系在做postdoc,
我老板是美国人，CP pathologist
跟我老板说了我要申请病理，他认为我只有申请CP only，走academic路线，才不枉我
的research training and background. 他说如果我决心申请CP only, 他会尽最大努
力帮我进我们学校的program (which is a top 20 medical school)，这样我在
resident期间也可以在他的lab干活。（当然他不是系主任，副主任，他的努力有多大
作用，我也不清楚。）他说如果我想申请AP/CP，我们program估计不会要我。: (
我非常不flexible，只能在我的城市及附近申请，不可能有老人来帮忙带孩子。又非常
希望能进我们学校的program. 但是听说CP only 很不容易找工作，市场很窄 |
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 49 in addition: hem-path esp if with molecular is very hot now!!!!
if u r in a top 20 path pg, you SHOULD'NT worry for job any way!!!
ask your boss to make a position for you, he should have big influence to
the pg.
in my program, a CMG got pre-match just bcz her boss is CP pathologist
attending, and coag lab director.
If I were u, I have no any hesitation to do as your boss said.
good luck.
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发帖数: 410 | 50 He is currently working in Pathology Department at Methodist, and he told me
that this year Methodist Pathology only invited 3 IMGs for interview, all
have internal connectios. Interestingly, he is already an attending
pathologist in India and got a fellowship training spot at Methodist (for
international scholars), so he is working as a surgical path fellow there.
Now he is turning back to do residency all over again to get a license in
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