f*******7 发帖数: 2210 | |
p**********d 发帖数: 7918 | 2 有些人覺得不買健康保險是“自由選擇。”問題是有的人根本沒得選擇。如果把健康保
險看成汽車,當然覺得全民健保不合理。但是如果拿它對照兒童的基礎教育,全民健保
就沒有甚麼不合理了。
【在 f*******7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 心理都比较变态,自己以后生病的时候就知道了。
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 3 偶care is wonderful. 从今天开始大家去看病,一分钱也不要付。就跟医生说总统说
了health care is basic human right. why do i have to pay to get my basic
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t***h 发帖数: 5601 | 4 Yes you need to pay the premium. Universal health care does not mean it is
free. The goal of this bill is to expand coverage, lower expenses, and
improve health care system for most Americans.
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 偶care is wonderful. 从今天开始大家去看病,一分钱也不要付。就跟医生说总统说 : 了health care is basic human right. why do i have to pay to get my basic : right?
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 5 But the president said it is a basic right. Why am I forced to buy medical
care when it is my basic right?
Where do you get the idea this will expand coverage, lower expenses, and
improve health care system for most Americans, because Obama says so?
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Yes you need to pay the premium. Universal health care does not mean it is : free. The goal of this bill is to expand coverage, lower expenses, and : improve health care system for most Americans.
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t***h 发帖数: 5601 | 6 Health care is basic right, just like food and water, but it comes with cost.
medical
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : But the president said it is a basic right. Why am I forced to buy medical : care when it is my basic right? : Where do you get the idea this will expand coverage, lower expenses, and : improve health care system for most Americans, because Obama says so?
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 7 who pay this cost?
cost.
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Health care is basic right, just like food and water, but it comes with cost. : : medical
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f*******l 发帖数: 8811 | 8 性生活是不是basic right?
cost.
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Health care is basic right, just like food and water, but it comes with cost. : : medical
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 9 food and water is not basic right...you have to earn money to pay for them..
.you don't have the right to go into a grocery store and just ask for food
and water.
cost.
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Health care is basic right, just like food and water, but it comes with cost. : : medical
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B**W 发帖数: 2273 | 10 So that is why the government has to walk out and help.
..
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : food and water is not basic right...you have to earn money to pay for them.. : .you don't have the right to go into a grocery store and just ask for food : and water. : : cost.
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 11 and you think obama money IS from obama...
lol..
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : So that is why the government has to walk out and help. : : ..
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B**W 发帖数: 2273 | 12 In theory, it is from the people (10 bucks) and to the people (5 bucks maybe
). But if those 5 bucks can save some people's life, many would not mind
giving 10 bucks to the government, although many others do mind.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : and you think obama money IS from obama... : lol..
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 13 Yeah, where doesn't that money come from? Does government create their own
wealth? They are leeches. They destroy the wealth creating private
companies, enrich themselves, spread some bread crumbs to the poor to keep
them happy. Who foots the bill? Us taxpayers.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : So that is why the government has to walk out and help. : : ..
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 14 wake up.
how much debt do we have now?
maybe
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : In theory, it is from the people (10 bucks) and to the people (5 bucks maybe : ). But if those 5 bucks can save some people's life, many would not mind : giving 10 bucks to the government, although many others do mind.
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 15 one of my liberal friend finally told me today "I think the weapon of mass
destruction is in the White House." glad to see him turning around.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : wake up. : how much debt do we have now? : : maybe
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 16 政府不印钱谁印钱?
唉,别老是纳税人了
美国政府能给你比国内高的工资,还能维持低物价,换在中国早就感谢政府感谢党了
比比国内一线城市的工资房价比,体制内外的悬殊,人还是要知足...
以美国为基地的跨国公司和金融打手们,还不是借着美军力在全世界获得超额利润?
美帝是政军商的高度联合体,互相协作起来非常高效
own
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Yeah, where doesn't that money come from? Does government create their own : wealth? They are leeches. They destroy the wealth creating private : companies, enrich themselves, spread some bread crumbs to the poor to keep : them happy. Who foots the bill? Us taxpayers.
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 17 sigh, more than 200 years ago, the founding fathers of this country had
already seen through this.
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : one of my liberal friend finally told me today "I think the weapon of mass : destruction is in the White House." glad to see him turning around.
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 18 既然能印钱,何必再收税.
lol...
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 政府不印钱谁印钱? : 唉,别老是纳税人了 : 美国政府能给你比国内高的工资,还能维持低物价,换在中国早就感谢政府感谢党了 : 比比国内一线城市的工资房价比,体制内外的悬殊,人还是要知足... : 以美国为基地的跨国公司和金融打手们,还不是借着美军力在全世界获得超额利润? : 美帝是政军商的高度联合体,互相协作起来非常高效 : : own
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 19 不收你的税,你老实打工么?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 既然能印钱,何必再收税. : lol...
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B**W 发帖数: 2273 | 20 This is good.
In terms of debt, I feel sorry for people in China and other developing
countries. The US governments borrow and rob money from others and give much
to the US people, rich and poor.
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 政府不印钱谁印钱? : 唉,别老是纳税人了 : 美国政府能给你比国内高的工资,还能维持低物价,换在中国早就感谢政府感谢党了 : 比比国内一线城市的工资房价比,体制内外的悬殊,人还是要知足... : 以美国为基地的跨国公司和金融打手们,还不是借着美军力在全世界获得超额利润? : 美帝是政军商的高度联合体,互相协作起来非常高效 : : own
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 21 what?
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不收你的税,你老实打工么?
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 22 what the hell.
you talk as if you dont get punished by this.
much
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : This is good. : In terms of debt, I feel sorry for people in China and other developing : countries. The US governments borrow and rob money from others and give much : to the US people, rich and poor.
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 23 这又是啥左棍新鲜逻辑?
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不收你的税,你老实打工么?
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 24 是的,政府从剥削他国为本国人民谋利这点上,美帝是不亏待本国纳税人的
当然这个谋来的利益,大头肯定还是大公司吃去了
much
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : This is good. : In terms of debt, I feel sorry for people in China and other developing : countries. The US governments borrow and rob money from others and give much : to the US people, rich and poor.
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B**W 发帖数: 2273 | 25 You dream. Inflation will hurt more to the capitalists, the real owner of
the nation.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 既然能印钱,何必再收税. : lol...
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 26 忘了谁说的,
The only difference between death and taxes is that death doesn't get worse
every time Congress meets.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 既然能印钱,何必再收税. : lol...
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 27 wow,
you know this is no good after all.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : You dream. Inflation will hurt more to the capitalists, the real owner of : the nation.
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B**W 发帖数: 2273 | 28 ???
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : wow, : you know this is no good after all.
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 29 to support this hcr, government can do nothing, but printing more greenbacks.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : ???
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 30 如果实体经济能够恢复增长并维持,或者有冤大头能不断用实物财富吸收美帝的流动性
考虑到医疗开支本来就每年递增,HCR后的这个增量,也许并不是这样可怕
我在哪里看到过好像4%的GDP增速,就差不多能平衡
greenbacks.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : to support this hcr, government can do nothing, but printing more greenbacks.
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 31 你这些assumption好像都站不住脚
看看麻州吧, from Tim Cahill (treasurer of Massachusetts),
"The universal insurance coverage we adopted in 2006 was projected to cost
taxpayers $88 million a year. However, since this program was adopted in
2006, our health-care costs have in total exceeded $4 billion."
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果实体经济能够恢复增长并维持,或者有冤大头能不断用实物财富吸收美帝的流动性 : 考虑到医疗开支本来就每年递增,HCR后的这个增量,也许并不是这样可怕 : 我在哪里看到过好像4%的GDP增速,就差不多能平衡 : : greenbacks.
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B**W 发帖数: 2273 | 32 Maybe it is not the most important reason, but many people with disease in
the neighboring states would move to MA when they are not covered by health
insurance. Plus, the federal government has more fiscal tools than state
government.
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你这些assumption好像都站不住脚 : 看看麻州吧, from Tim Cahill (treasurer of Massachusetts), : "The universal insurance coverage we adopted in 2006 was projected to cost : taxpayers $88 million a year. However, since this program was adopted in : 2006, our health-care costs have in total exceeded $4 billion."
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 33 真的能否站得住脚,只能事后来看
我也没说站的住脚,如果开销比原先增长的猛很多
中国日本等国又开始不听话
而且美帝经济循环迟迟无法恢复
那么加税或者承担增发货币带来的通胀,是可以预见的
最后麻州和美国也不能完全类比
假设麻州没有这个东西,06-现在的医疗开销会估计是多少?
这个8千8百万指的是所有的医疗开销么?感觉上一个州的医疗支出不可能只
有8千多万的吧?
05年的麻州的财政预算中医疗支出的数额是多少?
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你这些assumption好像都站不住脚 : 看看麻州吧, from Tim Cahill (treasurer of Massachusetts), : "The universal insurance coverage we adopted in 2006 was projected to cost : taxpayers $88 million a year. However, since this program was adopted in : 2006, our health-care costs have in total exceeded $4 billion."
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 34
You mean printing money?
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Maybe it is not the most important reason, but many people with disease in : the neighboring states would move to MA when they are not covered by health : insurance. Plus, the federal government has more fiscal tools than state : government.
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B**W 发帖数: 2273 | 35 hehe, surely that one is.
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : You mean printing money?
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 36 请教一个问题
麻州05年财政预算中,医疗相关开支大概是啥数额?
06-09,按照你的引用,是否财政中医疗开支差不多是400亿?
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : You mean printing money?
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N********n 发帖数: 8363 | 37
And why will the rest of world forever lend US money? Already this year
the treasury bond sale was sloppy since no foreigners are willing to buy
it at a low interest rate. The days US can borrow at a low cost is gone.
You will soon feel sorry for yourself when government turns to you for
every dollar they want to spend.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : This is good. : In terms of debt, I feel sorry for people in China and other developing : countries. The US governments borrow and rob money from others and give much : to the US people, rich and poor.
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 38 我对美帝有信心,赫赫
而且美金作为结算货币,太多地区对美元有巨大的需求
总之,把美元看成一种可以出口换取实物财富的商品,就差不多了
你想,如果美帝是孤岛,那么印那么多钱,东西才那么点,肯定通胀
但是加了中国 日本等地方,那些本来要导致通胀的钱,现在换了中国的真金白银
反过来喂美国本国人,这个全球化幌子下的模式,我看不出有改变的迹象
经济是政治军事的延伸,现在政治军事力量还是美国独大
差距还有拉开的迹象
中国,日本等地区拿了那么多美金,在贸易不平衡
你想买的东西 美帝不卖的情况下
他们别无选择只能买美国国债
说到底,你觉得美国现在国内有通胀么?
我自己是看不出来
倒是中国,由于承接美国那么多流动性,资产价格涨的厉害,生活成本都赶上美帝了,
有些一线城市
所以说到底,美帝对本国人民还是负责的。
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : And why will the rest of world forever lend US money? Already this year : the treasury bond sale was sloppy since no foreigners are willing to buy : it at a low interest rate. The days US can borrow at a low cost is gone. : You will soon feel sorry for yourself when government turns to you for : every dollar they want to spend.
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N********n 发帖数: 8363 | 39
Since 2008, we have had Russian proposing a world currency, Japan asking
for Bond sale in Yen, China reducing TBond holding, Gulf nations talking
about a local oil currency, India buying gold at historical high ...
Every sign pointed to a shift away from Dollar. W/ national debt keeping
growing, how do you stop them from dumping Dollars? Not a chance. The
moment some major nations stop trading in Dollars, it's game over.
And don't think US military power can save the day. If it failed to save
U
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我对美帝有信心,赫赫 : 而且美金作为结算货币,太多地区对美元有巨大的需求 : 总之,把美元看成一种可以出口换取实物财富的商品,就差不多了 : 你想,如果美帝是孤岛,那么印那么多钱,东西才那么点,肯定通胀 : 但是加了中国 日本等地方,那些本来要导致通胀的钱,现在换了中国的真金白银 : 反过来喂美国本国人,这个全球化幌子下的模式,我看不出有改变的迹象 : 经济是政治军事的延伸,现在政治军事力量还是美国独大 : 差距还有拉开的迹象 : 中国,日本等地区拿了那么多美金,在贸易不平衡 : 你想买的东西 美帝不卖的情况下
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 40 俺爹妈管买菜的,很多东西都比以前贵了
你说的对,“现在政治军事力量还是美国独大”
这其实也是对美国人的福利
忘了在哪儿看的,强大的军力和国内各种福利只能取其一
你选了一个,就要牺牲另一个
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我对美帝有信心,赫赫 : 而且美金作为结算货币,太多地区对美元有巨大的需求 : 总之,把美元看成一种可以出口换取实物财富的商品,就差不多了 : 你想,如果美帝是孤岛,那么印那么多钱,东西才那么点,肯定通胀 : 但是加了中国 日本等地方,那些本来要导致通胀的钱,现在换了中国的真金白银 : 反过来喂美国本国人,这个全球化幌子下的模式,我看不出有改变的迹象 : 经济是政治军事的延伸,现在政治军事力量还是美国独大 : 差距还有拉开的迹象 : 中国,日本等地区拿了那么多美金,在贸易不平衡 : 你想买的东西 美帝不卖的情况下
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 41 但是真的shift away了吗?
本来最有希望削弱美元的欧元,现在自身难保
俄罗斯这种军火都要从法国进口的卖资源的二流国家就算了吧,你把它的政治作秀当真?
日本,哪个日本,是被美国驻军的那个日本么?
石油不用美元结算? 恩,也许在这个发生之前,OPEC都是美帝的了
我问你,美国跨国公司用美金买中国东西,中国卖不卖?
问越南买东西,越南卖么?
如果卖,那么美金就能换取实物财富
其次,中国和日本拿了那么多美金能怎么dump?
没错,只能dump给联储来买美国国债
70年发生了啥?IMF这个美国操纵的维护美元地位的工具的诞生,
73年停止美元和黄金的按比例兑换,美帝从此彻底实现了对世界金融的操纵...
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : Since 2008, we have had Russian proposing a world currency, Japan asking : for Bond sale in Yen, China reducing TBond holding, Gulf nations talking : about a local oil currency, India buying gold at historical high ... : Every sign pointed to a shift away from Dollar. W/ national debt keeping : growing, how do you stop them from dumping Dollars? Not a chance. The : moment some major nations stop trading in Dollars, it's game over. : And don't think US military power can save the day. If it failed to save : U
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 42 为啥强大的军力和国内各种福利只能取其一呢?
二战后,美帝这几十年,军力越来越强,潜在对手一个个别灭掉
国内人民福利也没有越来越差
别的不说,能让别国的移民在这里有安居乐业可能,这点就不容易
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 俺爹妈管买菜的,很多东西都比以前贵了 : 你说的对,“现在政治军事力量还是美国独大” : 这其实也是对美国人的福利 : 忘了在哪儿看的,强大的军力和国内各种福利只能取其一 : 你选了一个,就要牺牲另一个
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O*****g 发帖数: 1257 | 43
well, it is getting there
social security and medicare 已经快支持不住了
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 为啥强大的军力和国内各种福利只能取其一呢? : 二战后,美帝这几十年,军力越来越强,潜在对手一个个别灭掉 : 国内人民福利也没有越来越差 : 别的不说,能让别国的移民在这里有安居乐业可能,这点就不容易
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 44 我对美帝也很有信心。
我对美共没有一点信心。
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我对美帝有信心,赫赫 : 而且美金作为结算货币,太多地区对美元有巨大的需求 : 总之,把美元看成一种可以出口换取实物财富的商品,就差不多了 : 你想,如果美帝是孤岛,那么印那么多钱,东西才那么点,肯定通胀 : 但是加了中国 日本等地方,那些本来要导致通胀的钱,现在换了中国的真金白银 : 反过来喂美国本国人,这个全球化幌子下的模式,我看不出有改变的迹象 : 经济是政治军事的延伸,现在政治军事力量还是美国独大 : 差距还有拉开的迹象 : 中国,日本等地区拿了那么多美金,在贸易不平衡 : 你想买的东西 美帝不卖的情况下
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 45 我觉得,不管是所谓的美共还是GOP
在维护美国利益上丝毫不含糊
否则美帝也不会在GOP和美共轮流执政的情况下,越来越强
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我对美帝也很有信心。 : 我对美共没有一点信心。
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 46 美帝在叫国内经济不行,xx要破产的时候,一般是准备贬值赖帐让全世界补贴它
ss如果是ponzi计划,人口能健康增长,问题就不大
北欧等国家的问题比老美严重多了,不仅福利高,而且人口增长率很是问题
资源,军事,人口等实力,还是美帝第一,尤其是人口这点不要小看
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : well, it is getting there : social security and medicare 已经快支持不住了
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 47 你怎么还不明白。
比如,我欠一屁股卡债,买大屁股电视,是,我是维护我家人看电视的利益,可这能长
久吗?
共产出发点本来就是美好的,就跟死后上天堂一样。
可这个能实现嘛。
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我觉得,不管是所谓的美共还是GOP : 在维护美国利益上丝毫不含糊 : 否则美帝也不会在GOP和美共轮流执政的情况下,越来越强
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 48 小日本都开始用人民币结算了。。。
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : Since 2008, we have had Russian proposing a world currency, Japan asking : for Bond sale in Yen, China reducing TBond holding, Gulf nations talking : about a local oil currency, India buying gold at historical high ... : Every sign pointed to a shift away from Dollar. W/ national debt keeping : growing, how do you stop them from dumping Dollars? Not a chance. The : moment some major nations stop trading in Dollars, it's game over. : And don't think US military power can save the day. If it failed to save : U
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 49 如果放大的到国家的话
你欠了一屁股债,不仅买了电视,还锻炼了身体,把自己武装到牙齿
世界几大洋就是你的内海,能源产地你基本都有驻军
你说能维持么?
中国那样金字塔社会都维持的几千年
最强的时候,还有别国来进贡
不是外力来破局,真还不好说中国现在是哪个皇帝的年号
现在美帝是在世界范围内的食物链顶端,按照就目前的情况来看
我认为维持几百年没有问题
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你怎么还不明白。 : 比如,我欠一屁股卡债,买大屁股电视,是,我是维护我家人看电视的利益,可这能长 : 久吗? : 共产出发点本来就是美好的,就跟死后上天堂一样。 : 可这个能实现嘛。
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 50 what is your point?
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果放大的到国家的话 : 你欠了一屁股债,不仅买了电视,还锻炼了身体,把自己武装到牙齿 : 世界几大洋就是你的内海,能源产地你基本都有驻军 : 你说能维持么? : 中国那样金字塔社会都维持的几千年 : 最强的时候,还有别国来进贡 : 不是外力来破局,真还不好说中国现在是哪个皇帝的年号 : 现在美帝是在世界范围内的食物链顶端,按照就目前的情况来看 : 我认为维持几百年没有问题
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B*D 发帖数: 5016 | 51 不用担心美帝破产
内债是转移支付,外债是不会还的
全球化下,美国一直可以吸血养本国人
这个趋势能维持几百年
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : what is your point?
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y****t 发帖数: 10233 | 52 什么叫不要担心美国破产?
共产加州都已经实质破产了.
vallejo chapter 9, the biggest so far, others to follow.
你要他上哪里去吸血?
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不用担心美帝破产 : 内债是转移支付,外债是不会还的 : 全球化下,美国一直可以吸血养本国人 : 这个趋势能维持几百年
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N********n 发帖数: 8363 | 53
Despite huge problems in Euros, it's still backed up by Germany's strong
manufacture base and they take a loss to just cut Greece off. Can you
find the same strong manufacture business that can finance US' mass debt?
What's wrong w/ 卖资源? You'd rather have a economy on trading derivatives?
Russia's budget is not trillions dollar in red.
So? Their manufacture base support them through two decades of depression.
What does US have to support themselves?
Of course we don't have to accept Dollars. We
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 但是真的shift away了吗? : 本来最有希望削弱美元的欧元,现在自身难保 : 俄罗斯这种军火都要从法国进口的卖资源的二流国家就算了吧,你把它的政治作秀当真? : 日本,哪个日本,是被美国驻军的那个日本么? : 石油不用美元结算? 恩,也许在这个发生之前,OPEC都是美帝的了 : 我问你,美国跨国公司用美金买中国东西,中国卖不卖? : 问越南买东西,越南卖么? : 如果卖,那么美金就能换取实物财富 : 其次,中国和日本拿了那么多美金能怎么dump? : 没错,只能dump给联储来买美国国债
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N********n 发帖数: 8363 | 54
You liberals are hilarious.
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不用担心美帝破产 : 内债是转移支付,外债是不会还的 : 全球化下,美国一直可以吸血养本国人 : 这个趋势能维持几百年
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w***s 发帖数: 4394 | 55 别忘了左棍们最恨美国军力,最恨美国出兵打仗了,全面左倾的时候,就是美军全部撤
回本土的时候,这时候还能指望美军吗?
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果放大的到国家的话 : 你欠了一屁股债,不仅买了电视,还锻炼了身体,把自己武装到牙齿 : 世界几大洋就是你的内海,能源产地你基本都有驻军 : 你说能维持么? : 中国那样金字塔社会都维持的几千年 : 最强的时候,还有别国来进贡 : 不是外力来破局,真还不好说中国现在是哪个皇帝的年号 : 现在美帝是在世界范围内的食物链顶端,按照就目前的情况来看 : 我认为维持几百年没有问题
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s*****k 发帖数: 604 | 56 BJD绝对不是liberal
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : You liberals are hilarious.
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t***h 发帖数: 5601 | 60 Same as food and water.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : who pay this cost? : : cost.
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t***h 发帖数: 5601 | 61 Nobody thinks that way, maybe except you.
Just like Bush tax cut, the money does not come from Bush. For the health
care funding, the bill has stated where it is from and how to lower the
expenses.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : and you think obama money IS from obama... : lol..
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e***s 发帖数: 1397 | 62 Yes, we can!
We have food stamps! Let those rich bastards pay for all these!
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【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : food and water is not basic right...you have to earn money to pay for them.. : .you don't have the right to go into a grocery store and just ask for food : and water. : : cost.
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t***h 发帖数: 5601 | 63 Only $88 million a year?
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你这些assumption好像都站不住脚 : 看看麻州吧, from Tim Cahill (treasurer of Massachusetts), : "The universal insurance coverage we adopted in 2006 was projected to cost : taxpayers $88 million a year. However, since this program was adopted in : 2006, our health-care costs have in total exceeded $4 billion."
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