D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 1 非基也有好多种
反基（antitheism)
积极非基（positive atheism)
无神论（atheism）
不可知论（agnosticism）
如果一提起来就[请问反基],岂不是把回答的人都推上反基的道路？ |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 2 "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of the last priest"
-Denis Diderot
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen Roberts
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
-Napoleon Bonaparte
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a
dose of common sense."
- Cha... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 3 An article about religion. kind of old but fun to read.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2008/oct/30/atheism-religion
A slow but certain demise
All the signs are there: religion will die. I'm just sorry I won't be around
to see it
* Terry Sanderson
* guardian.co.uk, Thursday 30 October 2008 09.30 GMT
* Article history
There are signs that in the western world (including the US) religion is,
indeed, beginning a long, slow – although accelerating – decline. All th... 阅读全帖 |
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t****e
发帖数: 2737 | 4 还有这个：
Professor Gordon Lynch, from London's Birkbeck College, expressed concern
that the study failed to take into account a complex range of social,
economic and historical factors— each of which has been shown to interact
with religion and IQ in different ways.[6] Gallup surveys, for example, have
found that the world's poorest countries are consistently the most
religious, perhaps because religion plays a more functional role (helping
people cope) in poorer nations.[7][8]
On the other hand, t... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********o
发帖数: 1334 | 5 他整篇的主题是atheism 不是一个belief，最后总结说atheism因为没有神存在的
believable的证据，所以不承认有神。所以说到底还是他选择信或者不信那些证据的问
题，这就是belief啊。 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 6 雙重標準倒是未必， 比較像是要把 atheism 拉到與 theism 同一級，
然後説這兩個是一樣有道理或一樣沒道理，但是至少 atheism 不比
theism 高明。 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 7 【 在 smy (LZ) 的大作中提到: 】
hypocritical.
I guess you confused between supporting "the FREEDOM of a religion" and "a
religion".
For example, I support your freedom of expressing your atheism belief, but I
do NOT support the atheism belief. |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 8 VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of
church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List
incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (
315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan
priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
E... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 9 VICTIMS OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH
"WONDERFUL EVENTS THAT TESTIFY TO GOD'S DIVINE GLORY"
Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of
church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List
incomplete)
Ancient Pagans
As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (
315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan
priests were killed.
Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
E... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 10
無神論（atheism) 其實翻譯得不好， theism 是主張有 personal god 存在，
a-theism 是對照的， “a" 字首是缺乏的意思， atheism 意思是缺乏 theism，
沒什麼論不論的。
你相信牛魔王存在嗎？ 不相信的話你就是『無牛魔王論』者， 你不必有啥論。 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 11 "Atheism rises above creeds and puts Humanity upon one plane.
There can be no 'chosen people' in the Atheist philosophy.
There are no bended knees in Atheism;
No supplications, no prayers;
No sacrificial redemptions;
No 'divine' revelations;
No washing in the blood of the lamb;
No crusades, no massacres, no holy wars;
No heaven, no hell, no purgatory;
No silly rewards and no vindictive punishments;
No christs, and no saviors;
No devils, no ghosts and no gods."
— Joseph Lewis, |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 12 Eloihim，我根本没想跟你们辩论。
我只是把我的观点说出来而已。
反基以为基督徒非要给反基解释清楚。
其实没必要。
基督徒只是从基督徒的角度的说明而已。
我不认为人可以证明神存在或不存在。所以必须要做选择(有神，无神，不可知）。观
点不同的人可以说自已的理由。这里的反基通常喜欢批评圣经和基督徒，基督教。我作
为基督徒从来不批评无神论，不可知论的人还有其他宗教。
所以我不懂反基。但是他们曲解圣经，污蔑基督教，基督徒有义务把现实中的真正的基
督教展现出来。
另外：
Philosopher Edward Feser of the American Enterprise Institute, a critic of
the New Atheism movement, has called the Courtier's Reply a rhetorical "
pseudo-defense", employed more as a "clever marketing tag" in order for
members of the New Atheism movement to avoid ... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 13
“非肝炎”患者，“非心脏病患者“ 有啥問題？
自己不懂就別說別人偷換概念了， 自己讀點東西很難嗎？
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities
exist. |
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 14 ”Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of
deities.“才是通常的用法，同意吗？
要不要看origin：The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεο&#
962; (atheos), meaning "without god(s)", used as a pejorative term applied
to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society.
谁都知道不是你定义的，但Wiki引用的定义也可能是不合理的，所以那么多人反对，我
也是反对者之一，为什么就成为吵了呢？
因为就如同你同意了的：你不会说你是”非肝炎“患者，你只需要简单说你不是肝炎患
者，除非你需要强调”非肝炎“病，但你又说是most inclusive，atheist玩这样的文
字游戏是想连baby也要抓来作为支持者吧。 |
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l******t
发帖数: 490 | 15 用这个词当然有原因
如果从来没有人提出过”人格神”
那么atheism的确是“欠缺”对人格神的信仰
但是既然提出来了 （所谓特殊启示）
atheism就不能装无知 得做出承认或不承认的决定了
所以需要一些来否定特殊启示的内容
最好能否定任何可能形式的特殊启示（但这是不可能的） |
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 16 只指出一点：
在讨论中我说：“即使对于这种你个人想象的“xx病”，通常语言是说你是或不是“xx
病”患者，你为什
么喜欢强调你是“非xx病”患者，医学上经常说你是“非肝炎”患者，你是“非心脏病
”患者吗？你那么喜欢当患者？所以”『沒有』theism 就是 atheism“这样的Ad Hoc
定义只在特定讨论中有意义，当作普遍定义只是为了方便偷换概念。象老七的赞美一样
。”
‘真神’说：“'非肝炎'患者，'非心脏病患者' 有啥問題？"
我说：“不是:你是“非肝炎”患者，是：你“非”肝炎患者。“非肝炎”是什么病，
还"患者“？”
随后‘真神’说：“這我同意，前面沒看清楚。 所以我不講中文的『無神論者』，
講英文的
atheist/atheism。 ”
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/978305.html
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 17 Thomas Jefferson, (1743-1826) 3rd American president, author, scientist,
architect, educator, and diplomat. Deist, avid separationist.
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have
not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of
coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.
" [Notes on Virginia]
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one re... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6300 | 18 http://coldcasechristianity.com/2013/are-atheists-smarter-or-si
Are Atheists Smarter or Simply More Self-Reliant and Self-Indulgent?
After attending Southern California universities for nine years, I was a
committed atheist. Was my atheism the result of my intellectual prowess and
education, or something else? A recent controversial study seems to imply a
direct correlation between intelligence and atheism. A review of 63 studies
of intelligence and religion from 1928 to 2012 allegedly reveals t... 阅读全帖 |
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g***j
发帖数: 40861 | 19 By Jerry A. Coyne
Religion in America is on the defensive.
Atheist books such as The God Delusion and The End of Faith have, by
exposing the dangers of faith and the lack of evidence for the God of
Abraham, become best-sellers. Science nibbles at religion from the other end
, relentlessly consuming divine explanations and replacing them with
material ones. Evolution took a huge bite a while back, and recent work on
the brain has shown no evidence for souls, spirits, or any part of our
personalit... 阅读全帖 |
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t*s
发帖数: 1504 | 21 the best path to atheism is through the bible
the god in that book is a horrible god |
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l*********1
发帖数: 772 | 22 I am not talking about 不可知论 at all. 不可知论 is agnosticism, but the example I used is atheism. These are two different things. Agnostics believe that the existence of God is non-knowable (and they wouldn't care about proving since it is non-knowable), while the atheists believe that God doesn't exist.
does |
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t*******l
发帖数: 3662 | 23 你这个god比喻不恰当，"影响"是个程度问题，多少问题。
"god"到底是个啥？
example I used is atheism. These are two different things. Agnostics
believe that the existence of God is non-knowable (and they wouldn't care
about proving since it is non-knowable), while the atheists believe that God
doesn't exist. |
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f********4
发帖数: 2883 | 24 StevenQueen,如果你对wayoffflying的话都觉得是个罪行，以下这些组织和个人你都必
须要向FBI举报， 他们在网上从来没有停息过的叫嚣要清除你StevenQueen一类的非白
人，包括人道消灭和不人道的消灭，他们宣称“The race war is coming, be
prepared" -种族战争即将到来，准备好。他们甚至还建立了各种militia，白人民兵组
织，组织起来练武打靶，已经不仅是言论而是实在的威胁了！这是对你的真正威胁，你
要是不举报就证明你举报wayofflying的行为不过是一种仅仅针对中国人的汉奸行为。
你既然敢举报他，就应该敢把你的身份亮出来，这样你身边的中国人以后提高警惕防范
你。
American Third Position Party
Aryan Guard
Aryan Nations
Australia First Party
Australian Protectionist Party
National Front (United Kingdom)
British National ... 阅读全帖 |
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 25 想说很久了：回神猫的华人基督教主流
我是普通留学生phd wsn，来美国第一个学期就足球外F了＝被本地一老全老美队拉去打
美国城市联赛了。此后再也没有参加老中的踢球活动。我的篮球除了老中比赛需要也从
来不掺和老中的事情。现在年老色衰攒转数城，依然体育外F.
我的审美观也基本也被大量的普通长腿＋C cup洋妞外F完了。
在中国，我连团员都不是。在中国念大学泡妞的时候还趁圣诞节去过几次教堂
介绍完自己，你们说吧，我肯定是宗教也外F的高危人群了吧。哈哈。偏偏我是坚定的
偏佛／道教的atheism。老中／老美christian每次recruit我，我就很礼貌地说：我尊
重你们的信仰，正因为出于对你们的信仰，我觉得我还没有说服自己要有遮盖
commitment. 还有，我还跟老美聊天，说了你们bible就是一本改编的很优美很富哲理
的历史书，可以提取中间的优点，但是如果要积极向善，还真不用去教堂。当年我和泥
哥mm谈种族问题，结果她回去要和她们southern baptist的教堂的prist和我交流。搞
得我都很不明白我说了些什么让她们那么inspired.
为啥我不信教？我觉得我如果信教是因... 阅读全帖 |
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V****n
发帖数: 651 | 26 Does the United States still have the same level of control over the energy
resources of the Middle East as it once had?
The major energy-producing countries are still firmly under the control of
the Western-backed dictatorships. So, actually, the progress made by the
Arab Spring is limited, but it’s not insignificant. The Western-controlled
dictatorial system is eroding. In fact, it’s been eroding for some time. So
, for example, if you go back 50 years, the energy resources -- the main
concern... 阅读全帖 |
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f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 27 I just found an post by Dr. Kevin Barrett From Wisconsin, it's bit long. I
try to get a summary in Chinese if I have time.
Here is the whole post
============================================================================
Chavez: Another CIA assassination victim?
The Venezuelan president himself, before he died yesterday, wondered aloud
whether the US government - or the banksters who own it - gave him, and its
other leading Latin American enemies, cancer.
A little... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 28 How Not To Defend Atheism - Crazy gay, jewish Atheist goes postal at street |
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s********n
发帖数: 26222 | 29 希特勒宣称他相信耶稣是他的神、救世主和灵感
Austin Cline
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/tp/AdolfHitl
基督教辩护士企图把希特勒说成是一个由无神论和世俗主义所造成的邪恶榜样，但事实
上，希特勒经常宣扬他自己的基督教信仰、他是多么重视基督教、基督教对他的生活是
多么重要、甚至耶稣——他的“神和救世主”——是多么地鼓舞了他。足够的证据表明
，他对基督教教会企图独立于国家的追求提出过批评，而且他的前瞻“正面的基督教”
对他来说举足轻重。
1。阿道夫希特勒：纳粹党代表正面的基督教
“我们强烈要求（国家）赋予所有宗教信仰以自由，只要他们不危及自身，或不与日尔
曼民族的文化习俗和道德情操发生冲突。我党由此代表了一个正面的基督教立场，而不
把自己归属于任何一个特定的信仰......"
——德国工人党（后来被命名为国家社会主义德国工人党，纳粹党）章程（program）
第20条款
2。阿道夫希特勒：我是天主教徒
一如既往，我是个天主教徒，并将永远是。
——阿道夫希特勒，与恩格尔将军对话，1941年
3。阿道夫... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 30 G-ds existence cannot be proven, so religion is a matter of faith.
G-ds existence cannot be dis-proven, so atheism is a matter of faith.
Only death is real。 |
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a****h
发帖数: 6153 | 31 Artemy (Leonid Gromov), professor of Scientific Atheism at the Leningrad
State University, is visiting his brother in a small town neighboring
Leninsk. There he meets Valery (Leonid Bichevin), a young man who is dating
his niece and has come to take her to a party. On the way back from Leninsk
to Leningrad Artemy's car breaks down and he goes into an isolated farmhouse
to get help. Artemy gets to talking with the farmhouse owner, Alexey (
Aleksei Serebryakov). The two drink together homemade alc... 阅读全帖 |
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t******r
发帖数: 8600 | 32 全世界各宗教人口比例：
Christianity: 31%
Islam: 24%
Buddhism: 10%
Other religion: 22.5% (???)
Atheism: 12.5%
有没有上帝？有一个什么样的上帝？这个世界上最多只有31%的人是正确的或者说聪明
的。其他人应该属于愚昧的。 |
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n*******t
发帖数: 7254 | 35 对科学研究的东西还是尽量不要断章取义的好，很多结论是有前提的，就算结论是正确
的，也不该有过多引伸的解读。
比如IQ and the values of nations, published on journal of biosocial science有
这么这段“
Macro-level analyses show that nations with higher average intelligence are
more liberal (have greater highest marginal individual tax rate and, as a re
sult, lower
income inequality), less religious (a smaller proportion of the population
believes in God or considers themselves religious) and more monogamous.
The average intelligence of a population appears to b... 阅读全帖 |
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o****g
发帖数: 657 | 36 这两天持续的在阅读sam harris的东东。
越看越觉得atheism要在哲学伦理学领域占领战略制高点还要继续努力。 |
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 37 前几天讨论宗教的时候，不知不觉把有神论的哲学也归入宗教范畴了
其实这两个区别还是蛮大的。
同意atheism在哲学还真占不了什么制高点。 |
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 40 Hospital, Daughter of Gay Man Arrested in Missouri Dispute What Really
Happened
The story of a gay man in Missouri who was arrested Tuesday after he refused
to leave his husband's hospital bedside has drawn national attention, and
parties on both sides of the incident are elaborating on what they believe
took place on Tuesday.
Here's what is not in dispute:
Roger Gorley and his husband, Allen Mansell, have been in a civil union for
five years and have legal power of attorney to make medical deci... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********t
发帖数: 1846 | 41 I just found an post by Dr. Kevin Barrett From Wisconsin, it's bit long. I
try to get a summary in Chinese if I have time.
Here is the whole post.
============================================================================
=============
The Venezuelan president himself, before he died yesterday, wondered aloud
whether the US government - or the banksters who own it - gave him, and its
other leading Latin American enemies, cancer.
A little over a year ago, Chavez went on Venezuelan national radi... 阅读全帖 |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 42 this is not what i said.
this is effin united states liberal federal court ruling.
小左们想玩double standard,最后只能一遍又一遍自己抽自己的耳光. |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 43 atheism is a religion, that's united states 7th circuit court ruling.
what can i say, liberalism is mental disorder... and now that's
scientifically approved. |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 44 和脑残无法对话.
belief, belief, you gonna believe sth.
you talk to those christian nuts, you talk to those muslim nuts, you talk to
those atheism nuts, it is all the same. |
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 45 行，就依你
agnostic不算信仰
那atheism也不能算了 |
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S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 46 靠！
最后一遍：
atheism 和agnostic要么一起都算信仰
要么都不算 |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 47 they have to rule atheism is a religion, but agnostic, why? |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 48 By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: May 7, 2011
Colleges and universities have long offered majors in religion or theology.
But with more and more people now saying they have no religion, one college
has decided to be the first to offer a major in secularism.
Starting this fall, Pitzer College, a small liberal arts institution in
Southern California, will inaugurate a department of secular studies.
Professors from other departments, including history, philosophy, religion,
science and sociology, will... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 49 The odds of life existing on another planet grow ever longer. Intelligent
design, anyone?
By
Eric Metaxas
Dec. 25, 2014 4:56 p.m. ET
In 1966 Time magazine ran a cover story asking: Is God Dead? Many have
accepted the cultural narrative that he’s obsolete—that as science
progresses, there is less need for a “God” to explain the universe. Yet it
turns out that the rumors of God’s death were premature. More amazing is
that the relatively recent case for his existence comes from a surprising
place—s... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 50 Supporter of ‘Atheists for Equality’ Murders Three Muslim UNC Students
We fully support the death penalty for this piece of shit if he’s found
guilty.
A man who posted anti-religious sentiments online has been arrested
after three Muslim students were shot dead close to the University of North
Carolina campus on Tuesday.
Craig Stephen Hicks, who describes himself as a vehement supporter of
atheism, has been charged with three counts of murder after the trio were
shot dead in Meadowmont a... 阅读全帖 |
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