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发帖数: 19471 | 1 MEDIA & MARKETINGSEPTEMBER 20, 2011, 5:15 P.M. ET.U.S. Alleges Full Tilt Pok
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By ALEXANDRA BERZON
The U.S. Justice Department on Tuesday accused poker celebrities Howard Lede
rer and Christopher Ferguson among other executives of a major poker website
of defrauding poker players out of more than $300 million.
The U.S. Justice Department on Tuesday accused poker celebrities How... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 764 | 2 A Miami helmet that belonged to booster Neville Shapiro, autographed by
former Hurricane head coaches Dennis Erickson and Larry Coker. (Miami Herald)
This morning, we brought you the smoke coming from Miami about the NCAA's
ongoing inquiry into Nevin Shapiro, noted hurricane booster and convicted
Ponzi-schemer. Now, via the Miami Herald, Shapiro's attorney brings us the
fire:
[Maria Elena] Perez said Monday she has been in contact with the NCAA,
on Shapiro's behalf, for several months and ha... 阅读全帖 |
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c********x
发帖数: 2905 | 4 所有的纸票子都是ponzi scheme,用影帝的话来说，信心就是黄金。 |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 5 a socialism ponzi scheme. |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 6 by the way, everybody thinks social security is a ponzi game as well? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 7 Is the following thing a Ponzi scheme?
You receive a letter, asking you to mail small gifts to 5 people,
including the person who wrote you the letter. The letter states
that if you do that, you will receive a lot of surprise gifts in
the future.
Seems quite popular in China around 1985. I was in primary school
and received such a letter. |
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b****e
发帖数: 460 | 8 Ponzi Scheme根据原理总有一天会东窗事发的，为什么还是有人要去做？ |
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a******g
发帖数: 1538 | 9 有两类ponzi scheme, 一种是开始就想骗的，另一种是开始想赚钱，但事与愿违，于是
为了名誉金钱先做假帐先糊弄过去，希望市场好转。
据说Madoff算第二类，先前的名声太高了，不好意思和人家说赔了。
这个stanford不知道算哪类。 |
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h*********n
发帖数: 915 | 10 The third one: driven by government. It's forceful.
SS and Medcare, plus pension/401k, are all Ponzi Scheme. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 11 版主随便搞两下手腕就可以把大部分钱吞为己有。
//sigh, 大家只有依仗对于偶RP的信赖了，呵呵。
Our Madoff fund is not a ponzi scheme! |
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m******t
发帖数: 165 | 12 Housing crash, stock crash are the results of deflating money supply. That
is the entire problem. We have borrowed from the future for 50 years. We
have inflated the money supply. The future is here. It is pay back time.
When an entire population goes from expansion into debt payment mode, prices
will not stay the same. This is a ponzi scheme. Housing, stocks, 401k all
require that a new generation of suckers appear to buy them from previous
investors. But in this case, that generation does not |
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C******n
发帖数: 9204 | 13 这和Ponzi毛关系。lz既不懂econ也不懂biz啊。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 14 我老2011年卖房后在建行买了好些， 吃了两年利息， 这两年逐步撤回美国。剩了些利
息在里面， 两个月前回国把利息也花的差不多了。嘻嘻， 闹腾去吧。
对付PONZI就是能赚先赚， 贪就赔光。 |
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D*****i
发帖数: 8922 | 15 按FSB的报告，美国影子银行体系主要包括：共同基金、封闭式基金、GSE（联邦住房贷
款银行、房利美、房地美、Farmer Mac、金融公司、学生贷款协会等）、GSE住房抵押
贷款资产池（房利美、房地美、Farmer Mac等）、房地产投资信托（REITs）、证券经
纪和交易商、投资公司（对子公司投资、证券借贷再投资担保的保管账户、联邦储备贷
款设施、私人或公共投资项目基金）、金融控股公司。
你时时刻刻生活在“影子”之下，无处躲避PONZI。 |
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f*****a
发帖数: 781 | 16 骗选民说未来多少多少年会有多么好的保障，等真的2014实施的时候，Fed已经破产，
到时候你是冤大头也做了，以前还过得去的健康保障也没有了。
民主党的就好这个ponzi scheme骗大家钱去花差花差 |
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T******0
发帖数: 1071 | 17 Ponzi 还至少有点甜头。这个从day one就是中产替别人买单，却还要忍受政府的
bureaucracy. |
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d*******i
发帖数: 2354 | 21 PONZI形式吧.
他卖了两年了.
每次SPOT+$20左右卖1 OZ的金鹰
费用后他肯定亏了不少钱.
买家有第三方网站rebate + ebucks + credit card rebate
有人算过买他金鹰每枚可以赚$150.
有人算过如何计算时间,既不用自己付钱,也安全在信用卡保护时间以内.
这样他亏本不断卖,不断培养新买家.到最后无法支持就卷款跑了. |
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d*******i
发帖数: 2354 | 22 会利用的买家赚钱啊.
有个网站现在有人在BSO买了多少个"PONZI"金鹰.选项有"200 or more" lol |
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l*****n
发帖数: 328 | 23 You pay 40,000 a year, and by the 2nd or 3rd year, people stopped going to
classes. Exactly what are you paying 40K a year for? You are paying 40K a
year for an opportunity to be hired by a law firm.
To put it another way, it's almost as if the law firms and the law schools
came together and decided that top school will charge 40K a year, law firms
will only hire from those top schools, and they'll split the money. Is this
not a racket? A ponzi scheme?
And why is it that law firms refuse to hire |
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发帖数: 584 | 24 读了Madoff 的报道，突然觉得The Whole Stock Market is a big Ponzi Scheme。 只
要不断有人投钱，大家就会都
很happy. |
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c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 25 翻译出来的只是一个摘要
全文见：
http://www.garynorth.com/public/11828.cfm
Bitcoins: The Second Biggest Ponzi Scheme in History
Gary North - November 29, 2013
I hereby make a prediction: Bitcoins will go down in history as the most
spectacular private Ponzi scheme in history. It will dwarf anything dreamed
of by Bernard Madoff. (It will never rival Social Security, however.)
To explain my position, I must do two things. First, I will describe the
economics of every Ponzi scheme. Second, I will explain the Austr... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 29846 | 26 By Joseph Ashby
We can say one thing of the new GOP front-runner: Governor Rick Perry knows
how to fire up a crowd. The leftist media blew up this week when Perry
reiterated a point from his book Fed Up! that Social Security and Medicare
are Ponzi schemes.
"There is nothing at all about Social Security that is anything like a Ponzi
scheme," declares the Washington Post's Plum Line blog. (Bernie Madoff's
lawyers must be wondering where this guy was during jury selection.) The
blogger claims So... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 15 | 27 http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp
保守派作家中最为睿智的一位，总是能非常简单的说明一个问题。Limbaugh, Coulter,
Hannity 还有FOX的王牌R'reilly虽然都很能舌辩，但是深度上要差一些。
The ‘Ponzi’ Sound Bite
By Thomas Sowell
Many in the media and in politics have gone ballistic over the fact that
Texas Governor Rick Perry called Social Security "a Ponzi scheme."
Although many act shocked, shocked, as if Rick Perry had said something
unthinkable, Governor Perry is not even among the first thousand people to
call Social Security a Ponzi sch... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 412 | 28 Madoff to NY magazine: Government a Ponzi scheme
NEW YORK – Wall Street swindler Bernard Madoff said in a magazine interview
published Sunday that new regulatory reform enacted after the recent
national financial crisis is laughable and that the federal government is a
Ponzi scheme.
"The whole new regulatory reform is a joke," Madoff said during a telephone
interview with New York magazine in which he discussed his disdain for the
financial industry and for its regulators.
The interview was publ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 39399 | 29 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
BigBlue (#15) 于 (Tue Feb 26 19:23:34 2013, 美东) 提到:
发信人: BigBlue (#15), 信区: USANews
标 题: 49ers和29ers: 奥巴马全民保险两个立竿见影的影响
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 26 19:14:22 2013, 美东)
法案其中有个规定, 凡是雇佣50个或更多全职员工的企业,
如果不给每一个人都提供医疗保险, 就从第30个开始, 每人每年罚$2000.
而"全职"的定义, 是一个人每周工作30个小时. 注意是30, 不是40.
更荒谬的是, 如果有两个人各工作15小时, 那也算一个"全职".
法案是2014年生效, 但是采集数据 --
公司总共有多少个员工, , 其中多少个算全职, 等等 -- 现在已经开始了.
所以, 那些为全民保险高声欢呼的自由派左棍们,
你们要是还有一点现实感的,
要还不是完全沉浸在理想化的自由主义世界里痴人梦呓的,
也应该猜得到在现实世界里, 正在发生什么事情了罢:... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8363 | 30
Great legacy from Roosevelt's new deal:
Social Security - Ponzi bust
FDIC - Ponzi bust
Fannie Mae - Ponzi bust
Gold confiscation - Ponzi bust
Just about everything coming out of Roosevelt's raw deal ended up being a
Ponzi bust. |
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g*b
发帖数: 223 | 31 Zhuang Fu Lai wrote:
F-22 and F-35 is just reverse engineering of Russian YAK-141. But China J-20
is a genuine self develop technology. The fact that you see it means it is
ready for mass production soon.
China has many engineer that study hard and work hard, while US has many
Wall Street fund managers that work very hard on ponzi scheme.
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发帖数: 872 | 32 http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-end-gamethe-dark-side-of-
1. The frustrated and aggressive central bank
If one wants to know how bad the health of China's economy has gone, look no
further than the PBOC's composure, which seems rather frustrated and
aggressive as of late. On 5th July, the central bank cut benchmark interest
rates for the 2nd time in less than a month. This happened right after the
fact that in December 2011, PBOC cut the reserve requirement ratio(RRR) by a
50 bp to 21%, it... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4825 | 33 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-06/india-savings-deposit-
By Yoolim Lee Jan 6, 2014 4:00 PM CT 44 Comments Email Print
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Investors in Sudipta Sen's Saradha companies protest in Kolkata as word of
the scam... Read More
Sudipta Sen was on the run when police arrested him on April 23 at Hotel
Snow Land, a resort with views of the Himalayas in Sonamarg, India, about 2,
700 kilometers northwest of his Kolkata bas... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1846 | 34 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-06/india-savings-deposit-
By Yoolim Lee Jan 6, 2014 4:00 PM CT 44 Comments Email Print
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Investors in Sudipta Sen's Saradha companies protest in Kolkata as word of
the scam... Read More
Sudipta Sen was on the run when police arrested him on April 23 at Hotel
Snow Land, a resort with views of the Himalayas in Sonamarg, India, about 2,
700 kilometers northwest of his Kolkata base.
Se... 阅读全帖 |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 35 tipping point早就过了，你这也太后知后觉了
美国从世界第一大债权国发展到世界第一大债务国
你以为是怎么来的？
几大根深蒂固的癌症
1. 医疗系统，尤其是近代以生物医学为基础的医疗体系
2. 基于这个全世界最昂贵最低效（从全民平均来看，不能只看顶尖）
医疗系统的medicare/medicaid
3. 巨大ponzi game--SS以及一大部分pension体系（不是全部pension
都有ponzi game问题）
4. 基于巨大ponzi game的巨型社会管理官僚集团
5. 发动这些ponzi games的资本利益集团--它们中的很多是全球性的，
根本不在乎美国这一个国家如何。
比起来，养闲人（只管吃饭睡觉维持基本生存条件）真不是什么问题，
而且也是为了消除社会治安隐患可以做的方案之一。
讲个极端情况（教育你对人类生产力水平的感性认识），
不工作的发3-5个汉堡每天住shelter，有暴力犯罪记录的全部枪毙，
美国只要10%的人工作都可以毫不费力（缴10%左右的税足够）养活90%的人。 |
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l****g
发帖数: 5080 | 36 收入不能满足开销，难道Ponzi scheme的公司承包一个街道的打扫有些收入，就不是
ponzi了吗？话说Madoff一个讲演也不少收入的，但还是会玩完儿。ponzi scheme的公
司都是包装的非常美丽的，收入当然是有，只是没有他们描述的那般美好而已，不然有
那么多人上当？
Ponzi schemes occasionally begin as legitimate businesses, until the
business fails to achieve the returns expected. |
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j**4
发帖数: 10425 | 37 seriously, even for ponzi schemes, there's big ponzi schemes and small ponzi
schemes. how long the sentence largely depends on the size of the ponzi
scheme! if he only stole about 10K, do u think he deserves 100 years in
jail??! |
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发帖数: 6388 | 38 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BA1GE20101211
(Reuters) - Mark Madoff, the elder son of convicted swindler Bernard Madoff,
was found hanged in his New York City apartment in an apparent suicide,
police and his lawyer said on Saturday.
Mark Madoff, 46, was found dead on the two-year anniversary of the arrest of
his father. Bernard Madoff is now serving 150 years in prison after
confessing to running a decades-long Ponzi scheme that bilked investors out
of billions.
"Mark Madoff took his ow... 阅读全帖 |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 39 lol...
these are ponzi scheme set at the first place, and now you are asking me,
how can you continue your ponzi scheme?
the same ponzi scheme as medicare, and you idiots beloved obamacare.
trillions
entitlement
The |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 40 什么叫共产主义的ponzi scheme，难道资本主义的ponzi scheme就不断子绝孙？
社会养老就是ponzi scheme就是断子绝孙，跟什么主义都没关系
少把愚昧的对各种主义的感情拿出来显示，生怕大家不知道你被各种主义洗脑。 |
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m********r
发帖数: 811 | 41 跳转到： 导航, 搜索
庞兹骗局（Ponzi scheme），在华人社会又称为非法集资、“非法吸金”，在台湾的俗
称叫作老鼠会。是层压式推销方式的一种。参与者要先付一笔钱作为入会代价，而所赚
的钱是来自其他新加入的参加者，而非公司本身透过业务所赚的钱。投资者通过吸引新
的投资者加入付钱，以支付上线投资者，通常在短时间内获得回报。但随着更多人加入
，资金流入不足，骗局泡沫爆破时，最下线的投资者便蒙受金钱损失。
查尔斯·庞兹，(1920年)
“庞兹骗局”称谓源自美国一名意大利移民庞兹（Charles Ponzi）。他曾成立一空壳
公司，以上述方式从投资者身上赚得大笔金钱。
查尔斯·庞兹（Charles Ponzi, 1882/3/3-1949/1/18）是一位生活在19、20世纪的意
大利裔投机商，1903年移民到美国，1919年他开始策划一个阴谋，骗人向一个事实上子
虚乌有的企业投资，许诺投资者将在三个月内得到40%的利润回报，然后，狡猾的庞齐
把新投资者的钱作为快速盈利付给最初投资的人，以诱使更多的人上当。由于前期投资
的人回报丰厚，庞齐成功地在七个月内吸引了三万名投资者，这场阴谋持续 |
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发帖数: 7469 | 42 ponzi scheme。其实整个米尤社会就是一个大ponzi，等ponzi不下去了，就要革命了。 |
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s*****e
发帖数: 21415 | 43 fine . 原来你是只希望大家买bitcoin，抬高价格你好profit，
不希望大家follow mining machine竞争。呵呵
anyway，ponzi就是ponzi，就别给自己贴"investment"的金了。
这个游戏最终的结果只能是lose everything。就算有人暴富，
一旦政府介入，非法印钞罪可不是好玩的。比别的ponzi还不如，
谁让你们自己claim是currency的？呵呵
技术上说，其实如果从你这里买了bitcoin，赚钱还罢了，赔钱
了去打911说有人诈骗，你就等着进局子吧。呵呵
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s*****e
发帖数: 21415 | 44 fine . 原来你是只希望大家买bitcoin，抬高价格你好profit，
不希望大家follow mining machine竞争。呵呵
anyway，ponzi就是ponzi，就别给自己贴"investment"的金了。
这个游戏最终的结果只能是lose everything。就算有人暴富，
一旦政府介入，非法印钞罪可不是好玩的。比别的ponzi还不如，
谁让你们自己claim是currency的？呵呵
技术上说，其实如果从你这里买了bitcoin，赚钱还罢了，赔钱
了去打911说有人诈骗，你就等着进局子吧。呵呵
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发帖数: 6301 | 45 这个不过激？
发信人: skydive (跳跳~~修竹凝妆，垂杨驻马), 信区: Investment
标 题: Re: bitcoin
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 20 12:56:34 2011, 美东)
那你还来这里贴什么？
建议版主同主题删除
发信人: skydive (跳跳~~修竹凝妆，垂杨驻马), 信区: Investment
标 题: Re: bitcoin
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 20 15:18:04 2011, 美东)
fine . 原来你是只希望大家买bitcoin，抬高价格你好profit，
不希望大家follow mining machine竞争。呵呵
anyway，ponzi就是ponzi，就别给自己贴"investment"的金了。
这个游戏最终的结果只能是lose everything。就算有人暴富，
一旦政府介入，非法印钞罪可不是好玩的。比别的ponzi还不如，
谁让你们自己claim是currency的？呵呵
技术上说，其实如果从你这里买了bitcoin，赚钱还罢了，赔钱
了去打911说有人诈骗，你就等... 阅读全帖 |
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G*8
发帖数: 13261 | 46 $5 (Friday Only)：
- Safeway SELECT® Artisan Boston Cream Cake (这个蛋糕好吃不？）
- Signature Cafe Whole Roasted Chicken
- Waterfront Bistro Medium Raw Shirmp 51-60ct $5/lb (Friday or Monday)
(处理的很干净，皮很好剥）
Progresso Traditional or Rich Hearty Soup (Buy2G3 Free)
- $1/4 (12/11ss) or
- $1/4 (11/13gm) or
- $1/4 ip: http://smartsource.com
GoGurt or Danimals Kids Yogurt $2/pack
Peanut Butter Multi-Grain Cheerios: $1.99 - $1ip = $0.99
http://www.boxtops4education.com/earn/clip/Coupons.aspx
(Peanut Butte... 阅读全帖 |
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j**********e
发帖数: 442 | 47 美国政府在玩世界历史上最大的Ponzi scheme,比如中国就是这个Ponzi scheme中困得
最牢靠的一个冤大头（中国持有最多的美国国债）。既然是Ponzi scheme，那么只要有
人继续玩下去，就永远不会有尽头。。。 |
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发帖数: 793 | 48 largest Ponzi scheme in history by the number of investors
"On Friday, August 17, 2012, the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”
) filed an emergency action in a North Carolina federal court, alleging that
ZeekRewards and its founder, Paul R. Burks, were involved in one of the
largest Ponzi schemes in history. The move came as many began to question
the legality of the operation and whether its promised 1.5% daily returns
were simply ‘too good to be true.’ These fears were confirmed on Fr... 阅读全帖 |
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s**a
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時間:12pm-8pm
地點:時裝設計學院博物館(Museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology)，曼哈
坦7大道交27街
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 50 受不了了，
华尔街也是自负盈亏的。怎么到时候又要我们老百姓bailout了。
的确，现在我们是在付er,可是你全民健保一搞，那abuse这个系统的人岂不是更多了？
这有头吗？
共产主义运行到最后就是大家都没钱。medicare就是government run ponzi scheme.现
在这个ponzi scheme运行不下去了，要用全民健保这个更大的ponzi scheme来填。这个
run到最后必定是破产，美国向希腊看齐，这时候，谁来bail out美国？
感情有些人真还盼着将来政府兑现诺言呢？政府什么时候兑现过诺言了?
不知道是真傻还是假傻。
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