f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 buy tourney tickets from ironman store:
1) lots of choices, from $3.3 to $2100 ones;
2) don't hurt your rakeback (cash bonus hurts);
3) best exchange rate, medal/$. |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 2 ring game ticket会不会影响rakeback这是关键
不然就不如bc store的cash bonus
这样看我还是觉得比赛的ticket划算一些
学。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 you have a good shot making the best month ever, don't waste it, hehe, with
rakeback, bonus and live, try to touch that $10K line? |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 4 登录了我的帐号看了一下
原来这几家网站好像都是一个系统，包括casher
查了一下有rakeback的直有playersonly
不过我不确定可不可以弄多个帐号，我觉得这几家后台是一个。。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5 superboob 你是不是也在sportsbook玩 这个网站是以其他形式的活动作为rakeback的
比如现在的是在进行 mega million的点数换现金活动，我好象在25NL 看到一个
superbobo的id，不知道是不是你 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 6 那个id应该是吧。。。
我账号不在sportsbook上
merge就用的一个平台，那个活动不如Lock，那个mega million只有10%的rakeback
加上vip点数换也只有20%，Lock是直接35%，但是VIP点数不能换cash rebate
的 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 7 The thing about those poker sites are fund security.
Heard news about Absolute poker / UB that players' fund on these websites
will probably never gets refunded. They even refused to reach deal with FBI
and continued to suck money from US deposit. Players contacted them for fund
info and they are getting ignored. FBI right now suing Absolute poker for
millions of dollars and there are no way the site can offer to pay the money
back.
So even the third largest site handles money like that, imagine... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 For me , poker is more like a job than investment or business. I started
to play on FTP from April , 09. I deposited 50$ on FTP to test water after
reading that HU book. I turned 50$ into 1k after 1 week and made over 100k
profit before rakeback in HUSNG alone. Believe me or not, I do not think I
took much risk except at first level. I played 10$ game and I was planing to
make another deposit if I was broke. I think it is highly repeatable. I
have decent experience playing live poker before ... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 9 http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/ftp-answers
Hi all,
I've been collecting your unanswered questions and asking around for the
answers. The questions that I've "ignored" aren't answered below either
because I don't have any kind of answer yet, I can't give any kind answer
yet, or they're more general questions that I'll answer in the next "normal"
Answers thread. Apologies for the long delay in posting again here.
Unfortunately the process of posting is drawn way out when my an... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 10 how is their software? which merge's skin is best in term of software?
which rakeback site do you rocommend? since I already have playersonly and
they have same players basis, so sort of lazy to open new account with other
skins. Should take advantage of these bonus though.
btw, after making 500$ deposit and 3 month play, they will give you a
usemywallet invitation. it is quite similiar to neteller ,but open to U.S
customer and invitation only. very conveniet to deposit and withdraw with
... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 My understanding is that you can't open multiple accounts on different
skin unless your account is 3 month inactive.
I searched around for rakeback deals. It seems blackchippoker gives the
best rake back deal if you find the right affiliates. I went with Carbon
just because it is bigger. ( i suppose bigger is safter?) The rackback
is
pretty good. 35% regular + personal rakerace which can provide up to 65%
rake if you pull enough volume (i mean a lot of volumn) But even for
smaller grinder 45% ra... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 12 what is the site to download and for rakeback? thx
can you deposit with click2pay or alike(for US player)? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 Western union deposit is good enough for me since i don't expect to deposit a lot and withdraw with check. 0-22$ fee
for check depends on your VIP level on carbon. Really not that bad without
rakeback hit. I probably paid more for e- check on FTP through rake back
hits. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 a good guide of money transfer here.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=26267208&postc
I use thenuts.com. You can use the "mitbbsreferral" code when you sign up. I don't know how the referral works yet. If I get any money, we can split. I think whether a rakeback site is good depends on whether they provide any good personal rake chase because the regular rake back are 35% for all merge skins. thenuts does have a personal rake race which give you some nice bonus on top of that. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 My understanding is that you can't open multiple accounts on different
skin unless your account is 3 month inactive.
That one is not correct.
You can open multiple account on different skins, but you can not open
multiple rakeback accounts, only one account is allowed. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 i think you are right. no multiple rakeback account. |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 17 我最近弄到lock上，因为有rakeback，玩了一个星期，全是6-max
3000手50NL 23.90bb/100
4000手25NL 0bb/100
我是有做一些table selection，逮着我标记的几个鱼打
table they keep 3 betting with 9s 5s.. 3 bet with 9s i 4 bet AQ. 9 high
board fish donk shove pot size bet i call with high card. that does not even
show up on the ev plot.. I
to the software too.. font is way too small. I can hardly see. I also keep
reraising and betting the wrong size preflop.
The NL50 FR is pretty soft, 6max is a lot more aggressive I played both.
lost mostly on 6 ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 18 agree. rakeback counts a little bit more than 10% my total winning at FTP.
Reall help a lot when you hit a bad swing. I had quite a few 30+ bi
downswing playing Super turbo HU.
or |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 19 thx!
. I don't know how the referral works yet. If I get any money, we can split.
I think whether a rakeback site is good depends on whether they provide any
good personal rake chase because the regular rake back are 35% for all
merge skins. thenuts does have a personal rake race which give you some nice
bonus on top of that. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 20 sort of disappointed to know that we still have to wait more time to cash
out. But at least they are working on it. nothing like UB/AP.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/ftp-answers-5-5-a-1032702/
An update for US players:
We are continuing to work on facilitating the withdrawal of US Player funds.
It remains our top priority, and we do apologize for the delay.
I can announce that starting next week:
All T$ will be converted to real money on a 1:1 basis.
All Tournament Ticke... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 good and good luck!
puchase
cashout |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 yeah. you need decent bank roll to get started for live game and there will
be lot of up and downs. For online game, there are lots of game that
basically do not need bankroll.
There are some significent difference between online and live game.
Nowdays, most live game are NL cash game and the game is getting tougher.
but online you have a LOT more options. I started with FTP to play HUSNG with
50$ deposit and had almost 200$k total profit combined with winning from
Rush Poker and Rakeb... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 be proud to be a rakeback pro. u r a winner if there is no rake. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 24 我在carbon poker上玩了一個月，～20000 hand, 非常frustrating. 我現在越玩越沒
信心了，似乎all in總是我死菜。請高手們幫忙看看我的情況，是否都還在正常範圍內。
1. 總共Under EV 15 個 buy-in. 有15個session significantly (at least half buy
-in) under EV，只有4個session是significantly above EV.
2. Loss bb/100前十名的holecards排行版，第一名AKs -319.44；第二名 74s -245.41
; 第三名AQs -240.73; 第四名A9o,-226.74;第六名KK,-180.73;第八名TT, -143.23。
還有AJo第十一名。這些都應該在win bb/100前十名才make sense啊。AKs和KK平均怎麼
能和74一樣是輸的最多的呢？AA倒還是正的,827.90 bb/100.
3. non shown down winnings ~16 個 buy-in 還比較正常; show down winnin... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 25 我查了一下HM，我NL100里面raked hands大概有26%
W$WSF是44.3%，差不多11.5%手要贡献.5个bb，贡献的bb应该有5-6 bb/ 100 hand
扣去rakeback的话差不多是3个左右的bb
基本符合事实
NL100晚上10点以后鱼实在太多了，一桌6个人里面平均有2个人VPIP-PFR>20 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26 和人家比， 就觉得自己努力的太不够。 我大了两年full time online, 算上
rakeback, winning（husng+rush) 也就将近200k. 发现自己 大牌的时间太多了， 花
在学习和提高自己的时间太少了。
看了 bluefire 和 cr 上 的vid ,才觉得自己的 leak 太多了， 还有心理素质
也还不算过关。 想把自己的game 提高， 还是应该多学习， 思考。。。
she
for |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 in 2009, the best 100NL players online (PS/FTP) made about 30K in a year (
without rakeback), they all played close to 1 million hands, which is almost
a FT load, if not yet.
and they got beat up in 200NL, so we cannot simply assume that (xK * more
time * higher level) would make us more money accordingly.
开打，大部分时间（一年半多）都在NL 50以下学习的都可以搞到30k.. 这full time
pro 两年200k 的确不咋的. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 easier said than done, hehe, the 2009 best online players all played 24 tables
(equivalent to 4 table rush), still, they "only" made $30K with a 3BB/100
like "average" win rate. even with rakeback, they're still far away from
100K/yr.
BUT, they're still called the "best" players on PS/FTP from all players'
data, imagine the rest of the crowd.
the best tourney player (top 3, 3 years in a row) in the world, gboro780,
made about $700K/yr. many small pros who made ~50K are already in the top 1%
on o... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 对现有业务的影响肯定是有的，但是长远来讲，实际上是损失比如10%，而赢得100，
200%新的市场的机会，更何况成本大大降低，抗经济衰退能力，灵活性大大提高。
拿AC来做个例子，以前是东海岸的垄断市场，十几家赌场，要玩扑克，BJ，百家乐，老
虎机什么的，你没有别的地方可以去。而现在附近各州纷纷合法化赌场，相当于在长江
上游修无数大坝截流客源，再加上本来就惨淡的美国经济，AC已经连续若干年衰退了。
而船大难掉头，修建一个大的赌场在那么一个偏僻的地方，除了赌博也没有别的什么卖
点，投资非常大，想脱手，想转型都非常困难，死板一块，开门就可能要赔钱，不开门
更赔。Donald Trump原来拥有3家赌场，现在前几年申请破产保护，最近卖掉了一家。
AC3年前野心勃勃的还准备开2家赌场，MGM和Pinnacle，幸亏见势不好撤的快。连生意
最好的Borgata，也准备出售一半的股权。
所以说传统赌城模式实际上是日落西山，打开新市场非常关键，这新市场的潜在利润，
实际上也是它们以前赚不到的那部分，和已有业务重叠不大。
以俺周围的一些人为例吧：
1)秘鲁人，俺师父，酷爱打牌，但是没什么钱，周末玩玩$5... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 Just after Black Friday I had a chat with a friend of mine who plays live no
-limit in Las Vegas casinos. “You know this is going to kill our games,”
he said. “The internet kids are all going to be taking every other seat,
and no one’s going to beat the rake.”
It took half an hour, but eventually I talked him down from the ledge. Las
Vegas is crawling with tourists, and they are really, really bad at poker.
So what if there are a few more decent players in the game?
I did acknowledge that we’d p... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 32 rush真是个好东西，打过再打别的简直无法容忍。
赚rakeback，points也是无敌。
each |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 没人写，OK，俺写，且看这块砖头出来引什么玉。
2011可能是俺玩扑克将近五年以来最黯淡的一年，一是个人事情比较多，二是和大家一
样，受415事件影响。
其实415之前的2月底，俺就已经基本净身出了几大网站(最多时俺在5个主要网站都有余
额，N个网站有帐户)，不是有内线，呵呵，而是觉得花费时间太多，年初战绩也相当一
般，靠rakeback出水。想换口空气，俺这人没常性。
年中几个月基本上连live也没玩，周围赌场风起云涌，其实现在比以前跑AC强得太多了。
秋天玩了2，3个小sessions，都是在Delaware Park，手还没生疏，还行，休息了一段
看牌倒是清醒了不少。
然后就是年底这段，在West Virigia (Charlestown)玩了4个sessions，3上1下，也还
说得过去。
2011年继续了前面2年的优良传统，这次更上一层楼，在LV和主要是中西部的牌棍们聚
了一次，活动非常令人回味，咋说呢，前面9次去LV都算是白去了。
扑克书籍零零碎碎的看了一些，有些还没有看完就放下了。
2012年展望目前还没有，可能等player兄弟过来，能有一个小高潮密集sessions，... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 最好选手一年下来3BB/100(不含rakeback/bonus)这可不是说的，而是网站自己统计的(
rush出现以前)，可信度较高。
不是说能与不能，durrrr当然能，durrrr的徒孙也能轻松。而是说难不难，或者有多少
人能做到，这个，俺个人觉得很多人都高估了自己。
鱼是能输几个buy-ins(算上鱼走狗屎运的时候，少那么1，2个buy-ins)，可别忘了，
edge是建立在有牌的基础上的，更何况，还有很多人要分鱼吃。
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
不代... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 36 是啊。那哥们的rate 74$/h live 5-10NL 已经不错了，但2502 小时， 不过180k. 从
06 年开始的， 实在不多啊。 您老，工资+bonus+401k etc+poker, 一年 就能赚这个
钱吧。
我online 算上rakeback, 在ftp 两年大概赢了200k. 我打 Online 100$ HUSNG, 一个
小时平均能赚120$, 但那个东西实在是太stressful, 虽然24 小时有game, 但实际打
得时间每天也就3 个小时。 因为不断要休息，而且太容易tilt.
【 在 fryking (赤道企鹅) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 37 online 对很多人来说最大的好处是不用花时间在路上，花钱在tips,meals上
而且online的rake比例也比live低，特别是很多online的rakeback
对很多人来说去casino也不是很现实，比如可能离家最近的得100，200miles
这花的油钱就相当可观了。
其实要说花时间，我看online未必，如果控制力好，可以做到每天1h，周末2h
BL之后我就严格控制这个时间，想想平时大家的其他娱乐每天占用的时间怎么
也得一个小时吧(看电影，看电视什么的)。从这个意义上讲，online对大多数
人是方便了很多，而且没什么太大的坏处，反而是去live，经常要一个session
去就要坐很长时间加上经常要熬夜，对作息不好啊。所以我觉得online的cash和
SNG业余选手真是不太需要花太多时间(前提是控制力，没有控制力不管是online/
live都是伤身的)。当然online 的tourney是另一回事了，这个时间限制得很死
而且常常一个session要7，8个小时。所以online touney的职业选手往往身体
都不怎么好的。
online, |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 38 bodog的pool之前也没有merge大吧？
merge随便找一个skin都是50%的rakeback啊。。。。。
不然我早不玩了
players ,
fee) |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 39 not at all. All my HUSNG game at FTP before BF are super turbo game since
they offer new Super turbuo structure(25BB, 2% rake). I made money much
faster in Super turbo than regular speed, with higher swing of course. My
roi drops from 10% at regular speed to 5% at super turbo, but average time/
game at Super is only 2.9 minutes. I have large enough sample(16k games) to
prove it as well. It is well worth it.
Right now(or 1 year pre BF), most money made from HUSNG are from
super/... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 40 我知道一些100NL和50NL的 reg，他们是赢了不少的，所以应该还好了
主要问题是自己的leak多，原先preflop 的leak就有不少(3bet range balance)
所以只能靠rakeback
.
BUY |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 41 多久打了一万手啊
6max才打了几百手。。。
我就是一个rakeback选手，我现在总数还是-0.3BB/100手呢 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 42 过去的3个月里面被欠了4k EV的飘过，其中3k是试水NL200的，各种bad beat
我这种靠rakeback过活的被欠上EV真是很惨，差点破产降级
weeks |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 43 They are both in Merge Network. They are different skins providing different
promotion.
I don't know whether they are accepting new US players now.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/where-can-u
You can refer to this thread. I think the current best option is Merge
Network if you can find a good rakeback solution. |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 44 Merge Cashout 慢可是一般还是可靠的（除了1月的时候有一个processor被seized那时
候check bounced）。我一般直接到赌场找人想买/卖而后P2P transfer。
There is no more rakeback on Merge Network for new accounts, you needed to
have sign RB deal before June 2011. You have to either buy someone's old
account or know the owner/management staff on a poker skin.
On the other hand, the reward programs are pretty good once you hit decent
volume. I am at about 43% RB right now after VIP Points->Cash + Bonus. I
go through RPM Poker, but Lock and Carbon... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 45 我今年年初开始就没有取过钱，EV下5k，只能保平，哎
Lock上是如果一个月rakeback达到1k，有40%+每天抽奖机会(没中过。。)
Lock有自己的processor，比Merge快一些，听说最近几个月2周之内就能拿到check |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 我老比较保守，估计满足以下三条：
1) beat 2/5+ by 3+ years;
2) full time, >1500 hours.
3) >50K，起码保证自己吃饭吧？
的选手在美国可能不会超过两三千人。
看bravo周末最热闹时候的2/5桌子统计，全美国也就100来张，平时少很多。
以前有online poker，要厉害得多，有可以靠micro grinding, MTT, rakeback, SNE..
.吃饭的，而且不受地域，时间，全职否限制。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 呵呵，有意思，前几天俺也在想几个类似的问题。以前是你说的吧，XXX is correct
in the long term, but your life may not be long enough.
俺试验了3个多月，俺做不到，甚至做不到$15/hr这个"低"标准，尽管这是一般认为的
good rate in long term。个人水平有限，仅供参考。
一个业余选手，一年打500小时，这已经几乎牺牲掉大部分黄金业余时间(周末等)，确
实也就是一万把左右，加上travel time，实际上可能要6，700小时以上。这么说，一
辈子，就算能坚持，也就是30年，30万把牌。
online，这个只需要大概几个月。
以前说过很多次，online有很多很大的好处，所以the future of poker is online
and only online.
不说别的，只有online才能提供micro stake cash games or tourneys，multi tables
, 24x7 full action（时区，地域影响相对小）。
rakeback, bonus说起来也很大，... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 48 Thanks for info!
Also Lock (Revolution, after purchasing Cake) startting June 1st will offer
Player Choice between a nice VIP program that includes daily cash back (just
like rake back but not as much) or a flat 36% daily rake back plus VIP
points to buy into tournaments.
Lock will also have a 200% deposit bonus up to 2000.
Merge is running a bonus is well starting June 1st. Both are running very
good promotions as well.
So for those that missed the rake back train and want to test the waters,
... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 49 昨天发了？BSO一下吧。。。
这个36%rakeback是sign up的时候自动还是通过affiliate 才能有啊？ 如果算上200%
up to 2k 的deposit bonus,这个 rb 大概有70-80% 把？
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发帖数: 7793 | 50 这个毫无疑问。 不过开不出普通桌怎么办？ 如果鱼都在badbeat table赢率会比普通
桌高一点？ badbeat 的钱没有rakeback 吧？ 这个对6max 的赢率影响比FR 更大。 |
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