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c*****a
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十年前我就看过的英文版:
>> SHIT LIST !!!
>> ------------------------
>>THE GHOST SHIT
>> The kind where you feel shit come out, see shit on the toilet paper,
but
>> there's no shit in the bowl.
>>
>>THE CLEAN SHIT
>> The kind where you feel shit come out, see shit in the bowl, but there
's
>> no shit on the toilet paper.
>>
>>THE WET SHIT
>> You wipe your ass fifty times and it still feels unwiped. So you end
up
>> putting toilet paper between you... 阅读全帖
G*********r
发帖数: 13
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看来大家周末都没出去玩哦。
从最开始的动物实验到后来的干细胞,各持己见。
我觉得有必要指出的是, "干细胞移植",并不等同于"胚胎干细胞移植"。 目前算比较
成熟的是用受体也就是病人自己的骨髓(bone marrow)培植出来的干细胞,称为成人干
细胞, 这样的移植的抗异性也比较小。我觉得的weewow亲戚接受的干细胞也应该属于
这种情况,因为从查到的资料来看,用从骨髓里提取干细胞治疗spinal injury 的例子
好像还是很多的。此外胚胎干细胞的培育和移植都还处于实验阶段,即使你想用胚胎干
细胞,谁都不能保证他能像你想象那样的起作用。一个在中国用成人干细胞治疗spinal
injury的案例请看一下连接。
http://www.stemcellschina.com/index.php/en/patient-experiences/
使用“胚胎”干细胞确实存在伦理上的争论,就像克隆技术一样, 所以在医学管理比
较严格的美国和其他发达国家,“胚胎”干细胞的研究一直受政府限制。 当年里根的
老年痴呆症,他的家人很想尝试干细胞治疗,都没能得逞,所以Nancy Reagan 一直呼
吁政府... 阅读全帖
t***k
发帖数: 41
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来自主题: Biology版 - Finding the lost target
Ramer MS et al Nature 403: 312-316 (2000)
When sensory nerve fibres are damaged in a peripheral nerve or a spinal root,
they can regenerate over long distances.
But when such regenerating fibres contact the spinal cord, they abruptly stop
growing ans seem unable to enter the CNS tissue.
The main reason for this is the barrier function of the junction between the
root and the CNS--the so-called dorsal root entry zone.
The study by Ramer shows that specific neurotrophic factors can inflence
the re
M*****n
发帖数: 16729
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来自主题: Biology版 - Re: MCBJC-call for discussion
i think in terms of synaptogenesis the neuro-muscular junction is well studied
in mice. so if one wants to study fish, he should definitely go for the
synaptogenesis in CNS.
Retino-tectal projection is a good system to study axon guidance. so is it for
the study of synaptic plasticity too. If i am gonna do that, probably I will
avoid those hot spots. In fact, our lab is gonna study the reticulo-spinal
curcuits in zebrafish. So I guess the synapsis formation in spinal cord may be
worth studying.
w**********9
发帖数: 242
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来自主题: Biology版 - “干细胞旅游业”
Very impressive.
Austrilian Claire can now move her leg a little bit.I guess it may attribute
to the growth factor injected in umbilical cord blood to stimulate the
existing interneurons to make processes to connect the injuried distal and
intact proximal cortical spinal tracts.
Does really the stem cells injected in the spinal differentiate into neurons
and these neurons know where to make the proper connections ? hard to
believe it.
s****0
发帖数: 2532
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来自主题: Biology版 - 求文章
Biomarkers in spinal cord injury.
Spinal Cord 47, 519-525 (July 2009).
谢谢!
l**********1
发帖数: 5204
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En
温习一下 其十一年前的豪言 啊
中国科学:显著的发展和严峻的挑战
——历史演变和现状比较
于2001年12月4日 1st version
饶毅
本文在简要回顾中国科学史的基础上,介绍一些近年研究的内容,肯定中国
科学令人乐观的进步,并讨论可能的意义。同时也指出,中国优秀论文总量仍不
到世界的百分之一,低于中国经济在世界所占的百分比、也不能适应中国持续发
展的要求。中国科学的规模需要相当程度的扩大、质量有待进一步提高。中国科
技还存在面临许多问题和挑战。
中国科学历史上的优秀例子
一个国家科学研究状况可以近似地由发表论文的情况所反映。以下,本文主
要从生命科学的研究来讨论中国科学的情况,一方面这是我有一定判断力的领域,
另一方面生命科学是科学技术最重要的组成部分之一,可以反映科学主流。讨论
中国论文发表情况前,先谈两个背景:中国科学的历史情况,优秀科学和著名杂
志的关系。
奠定中国生命科学研究是二、三十年代协和医学院生理系林可胜和生化系吴
宪。他们不仅自己研究出色,而且培养和带领了其他研究者。林可胜在胃肠道生
理和神经生理有优秀工作。1942年,他在中国当选为美国科学院外籍院士,是... 阅读全帖
y***i
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不知道你说的是不是 运动神经元疾病 Motor Neuron Disease 好像有很多种
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_neuron_disease
可以google
Motor Neuron Disease treatment
这里说没有cure :(
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/motor_neuron_diseases/motor_
但是有的种类不是致命的,有的是致命的 ---- 可怜,也不知道哪种更残忍。唉。
Prognosis varies depending on the type of MND and the age of onset. Some
MNDs, such as primary lateral sclerosis and Kennedy disease, are not fatal
and progress slowly. Patients with spinal muscular atrophy may appear to be
stable for long peri... 阅读全帖
k*****r
发帖数: 1435
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ALS有bulbar onset和spinal onset
前者寿命短,并发后3年左右,一开始的症状表现在语言和认知能力下降
后者寿命略长,5年到10年,甚至更多,一开始的表现是肢端控制能力下降
霍金是直到摔下楼梯才发现自己的疾病,估计是spinal onset的
ALS是很苦的一种病,重在保持现有的生存能力,让家人和病人都能积极乐观的度过每
一天。
l**********1
发帖数: 5204
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Researchers of motor neuron diseases have long had a hunch that two fatal
diseases, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) and spinal muscular atrophy (
SMA)
HTTP: //news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/09/link-found-between-als-and-
sma/
脊髓性肌肉萎縮症(英语:Spinal muscular atrophy,簡寫為SMA),是一種遺傳性神
經疾病。它會造成運動神經元退化、肌肉萎縮,肌肉無力,最終造成死亡。
HTTP: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_muscular_atrophy
肌萎縮性脊髓側索硬化症(ALS, Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis),又稱路格瑞氏症
(Lou Gehrig's disease),俗稱為漸凍人症,是一個漸進和致命的神经退行性疾病。
起因是中樞神經系統內控制骨骼肌的運動神經... 阅读全帖

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对肖氏手术的盖棺论定 http://fangzhouzi.baijia.baidu.com/article/440220
——评肖传国的弥天大谎和胡舒立的“新闻专业主义”
十几年前,原华中科技大学教授肖传国在国外声称其发明的“肖氏反射弧手术”能够治
愈脊柱裂(脊膜膨出)和截瘫患者的大小便失禁,成功率高达85%,是中国各大医院都
在做的常规手术,引起了美国、德国、丹麦等国外一些医生的兴趣,2005年起开始在肖
传国的指导下做肖氏手术临床试验。2010年,我和方玄昌因为揭露肖氏手术骗人的实质
,遭到肖传国雇凶袭击,轰动一时,也引起国外医学界对肖氏手术的怀疑。但当时国外
肖氏手术临床试验已经启动。近年来这些试验的长期随访结果陆续发表,都证明了肖氏
手术没有效果(文献1、2),只有肖传国在美国最早、最密切的合作者密歇根州
Beaumont医院的Peters小组报告脊膜膨出患儿有部分人的排尿功能术后有所改善,能少
量排尿,但是除了一人其他人都漏尿(文献3),这与肖传国声称的术后能够完全自主
控制排尿的说法显然不符,以致Peters小组疑惑是不是中国的手术“成功标准”和美国
的不一样。随后,美国... 阅读全帖
k****z
发帖数: 1863
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http://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404041398973262860
http://weibo.com/xiaochuanguo?is_all=1
肖氏手术在美国四所大学医院临床应用全部成功
肖传国 2016-11-13 17:07:43 举报 阅读数:36923
肖氏手术治疗截瘫和脊柱裂脊膜膨出所致大小便失禁在中国首先研究成功并大规模应用
于病人后,近十年来美国的纽约大学医院、密西根贝蒙特大学医院、路易桑拿州立大学
医院、和南佛罗里达大学儿童医院先后相继开展肖氏手术临床病人应用研究,前三所均
获得成功,报告了与和肖氏手术中国结果基本接近的结果。
但南佛罗里达儿童医院团队由于没有基金支持其必须免费的临床研究,采取了骗取美国
儿童保险基金,用另一手术的名义支付肖氏手术所有费用,并为此设计了一个所谓肖氏
手术双盲研究,这不仅是非法骗取保险基金支付,同时严重违反医学研究伦理特别是涉
及外科手术的研究伦理【双盲研究主要限于非创伤性医学研究,如药品等,不能用于复
杂开放性手术,更不能用另一种结果因人而异的复杂大手术作为空白对照】,同时方法
学上... 阅读全帖
r*******9
发帖数: 274
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - CK归来
昨晚睡得不好,跟没睡似得,但今天精神还可以。
前段时间断断续续的在几个论坛上都看见很多人叫苦连天,说题目很长时间不够;也有
少数几个相反意见。我今天抽到的题目应该属于偏长的。一屏半的题目有不少,相当一
部分是整屏文字的,三四行的是少数。
给大家提个醒,一定要注意速度的训练。这个考试都是要answer at spinal level的,
该学的东西要进到spinal level。
考完了,血压和心率都各降了100。希望能拿到个理想的成绩。GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE
!
e****0
发帖数: 678
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - [我的CK]儿科
• leukemia
ALL AML CLL
child adult elderly
BM lymphoblasts 25%myeloblasts
lab Lymphocyte 5000, mature-appearing cells
• Osgood-schlatters disease
 Adolescent male athletes
 Traction apophysitis—quadriceps tendon put the traction on the
apophysis of the tibial tubercle where patellar tendon inserts.
 A firm mass =heterotopic bone formation
 Pain can be reproduced by extending the kne... 阅读全帖
yf
发帖数: 272
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http://jop.ascopubs.org/content/early/2013/03/26/JOP.2012.00081
Perspective
Practicing Western Oncology in Shanghai, China: One
Group’s Experience
By David H. Garfield, MD, Harold Brenner, MD, FRCR (Lond), and Lucy Lu, RN
ProMed Cancer Centers–Shanghai, Shanghai, People’s Republic of China
In October 2011, we—David H. Garfield, MD, medical oncologist,
United States; Harold Jacob Brenner, MD, FRCR,
radiation oncologist, Israel; and Lucy Lu, oncology nurse,
Shanghai, China—were part of a group tha... 阅读全帖
A*******s
发帖数: 9638
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Thanks a lot.
I just realized there is no set normal range for sitting pressure because
the distance between brain and lumbar spine is
variable from person to person. Therefore, each measurement at sitting
should be corrected by the distance measured
after each procedure. However, there should be a normal range after the
correction.
By the way, it is impossible to do a spinal tap at standing since there is
no open space for the needle at standing. We
have the patient bowed in order to open up ... 阅读全帖

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所谓大牛,应该是学术界某个领域的领军人物之一,即名教授 -- 当然是铁牛。哥大的
名教授更是厉害。他的铁牛也会在这样一种情况下,被嘎然终止,就是他严重的行为犯
规。之前,也有少数类似例子发生,教授由于某种原因遭大学校方处理,但铁牛还让延
续。
不过,这次哥大的处理相当决然,关闭他的实验室,他的它处职位也立即发生倒牌效应
。我很想知道他的铁牛还保留吗?还是被扫地出门?
还有让人好奇的是:他的严重的行为违规。 十几年前,也有人因某种原因被解散实验
室,在学术界也怔了一下。可是庙小,过一段时间也没声音了。哥大庙大,影响则会更
大。
究竟是如何的行为违规?大家都很好奇。我认为最好公布一下,这对广大铁牛们和科研
人员们有个警戒,注意行为规范。
下面转载一文:
Behavioral ‘violations’ cost prominent neuroscientist positions at
Columbia, HHMI
By Meredith WadmanMar. 8, 2018
Prominent Columbia University neuroscientist Tom Jessell, ... 阅读全帖

发帖数: 1
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所谓大牛,应该是学术界某个领域的领军人物之一,即名教授 -- 当然是铁牛。哥大的
名教授更是厉害。他的铁牛也会在这样一种情况下,被嘎然终止,就是他严重的行为犯
规。之前,也有少数类似例子发生,教授由于某种原因遭大学校方处理,但铁牛还让延
续。
不过,这次哥大的处理相当决然,关闭他的实验室,他的它处职位也立即发生倒牌效应
。我很想知道他的铁牛还保留吗?还是被扫地出门?
还有让人好奇的是:他的严重的行为违规。 十几年前,也有人因某种原因被解散实验
室,在学术界也怔了一下。可是庙小,过一段时间也没声音了。哥大庙大,影响则会更
大。
究竟是如何的行为违规?大家都很好奇。我认为最好公布一下,这对广大铁牛们和科研
人员们有个警戒,注意行为规范。
下面转载一文:
Behavioral ‘violations’ cost prominent neuroscientist positions at
Columbia, HHMI
By Meredith WadmanMar. 8, 2018
Prominent Columbia University neuroscientist Tom Jessell, ... 阅读全帖
g******0
发帖数: 294
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对那个pigsun的贴征求公开意见(越辩越明)并谴责版主
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 8 10:36:07 2010, 美东)
美国报道的原文:
Twelve children got the surgery — three with spinal cord injuries, nine
with spina bifida. The three with spinal cord injuries were not helped by
the procedure. Seven of the nine with spina bifida saw "marked improvement."
One of them was a "home run," a girl who achieved complete continence.
Peters said the major complication was leg weakness that developed among
eight of the nine with spina bifida. All had been... 阅读全帖
A*****8
发帖数: 8590
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Report Information:
Publication date: 11/07/2012
Number of Pages: 145
Report Details:
In 2011, the medical device market worldwide was worth $309bn, with high
single-digit growth from the year before . Despite being a vast and mature
market, there are number of sectors likely to experience fast growth during
the next 10 years. Much of this growth is linked to the prevalence of a
number of diseases worldwide, as well as an aging population. The rise in
neurological disorders will drive both the d... 阅读全帖
N*******r
发帖数: 118
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It's a common practice, as I know, to insert a lumbar drain before aortic
cross-clamping for spinal cord protection during any open TAA/high level AAA
repair.
The spinal cord injury secondary to the anterior columns ischemia caused by
aortic cross-clamping is a known risk for open AAA/TAA repair, but it's a
relatively rare event with the incidence of 0.1%.

want to disclose the name of
N*******r
发帖数: 118
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It's a common practice, as I know, to insert a lumbar drain before aortic
cross-clamping for spinal cord protection during any open TAA/high level AAA
repair.
The spinal cord injury secondary to the anterior columns ischemia caused by
aortic cross-clamping is a known risk for open AAA/TAA repair, but it's a
relatively rare event with the incidence of 0.1%.

want to disclose the name of
A*******s
发帖数: 9638
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来自主题: Medicalpractice版 - Dr.Xiao's procedure.
Just saw a patient who is 20 yrs old. He has a spinal bifida but has to do
cath since age 16 after he had a surgery for a tethered spinal cord. He came
to see me for other medical problems. Since I saw his PMH, I mentioned Dr.
Xiao's procedure.
We watched the youtube togather and he got very excited. He is pretty
healthy otherwise.
N******e
发帖数: 61
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Sorry I have to clarify one point. Wet tap is very commom, as well as other
complications like post dural headache. The problem with this case was that
after wet tap, even if the patient has obvious symptoms, the anestheiologist
still continued to inject epidural dose of anesthetics, usually 10 times
higher than spinal dose, which can cause high spinal and even heart collpase
. There is a strict protocol to prevent this from happening, very rarely.
This anestheiologist clearly observed those sym... 阅读全帖
A*******s
发帖数: 9638
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没有做过spinal tap的不理解, 即使针头进了subdural space, 不是每一次都有
spinal fluid出来的, test dose也不是人人都有效。
这个医生很可能什么都做了, 只是LZ运气不好。

Occasionally
or
.
.
L****n
发帖数: 12932
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来自主题: Medicalpractice版 - 我的麻醉贴被封了。心寒。。。。。。
Read the op, as an experienced anthesiologist, IMHO, this is a case that has
some chance at winning the suit or obtaining a settlement. But still
depends on what did the anesthesiologist do AFTER the epidural placement. Ie
, not an open and shut case like some suggested here.
- wet tap can be unrecognized during placement - actually happen to me today
. Luckily test dose only got the pregnant lady anesthestized to the chest
level. And I just reassured her and wait till it wears off (3hrs). With... 阅读全帖
L****n
发帖数: 12932
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来自主题: Medicalpractice版 - 我的麻醉贴被封了。心寒。。。。。。
Read the op, as an experienced anthesiologist, IMHO, this is a case that has
some chance at winning the suit or obtaining a settlement. But still
depends on what did the anesthesiologist do AFTER the epidural placement. Ie
, not an open and shut case like some suggested here.
- wet tap can be unrecognized during placement - actually happen to me today
. Luckily test dose only got the pregnant lady anesthestized to the chest
level. And I just reassured her and wait till it wears off (3hrs). With... 阅读全帖
s*******y
发帖数: 46535
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来自主题: Medicalpractice版 - 请教一下这个腰椎MRI的结果怎么理解
一位朋友,65岁了,最近经常腰背疼,做了MRI,结果如下。我们大概对照wikipedia看
了一下,但是也不知道多少算是跟年龄有关的。请教一下情况有多严重
referring diagnosis: evaluate for herniated disc
technique: multislice multiweighted, 1.5 Teslah
comparison: none
findings:
alignment: no subluxations, there is lumbar levoscoliosis
multilevel degenerative loss of dis aignal and height
vertebral bodies: no compression fractures
L5-S1: within normal limits
L4-5: disc bulge and broad posterior disc protrusion, facet arthrosis and
redundant ligamentum flava produce marked... 阅读全帖
s*******y
发帖数: 46535
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来自主题: Medicalpractice版 - 请教一下这个腰椎MRI的结果怎么理解
一位朋友,65岁了,最近经常腰背疼,做了MRI,结果如下。我们大概对照wikipedia看
了一下,但是也不知道多少算是跟年龄有关的。请教一下情况有多严重
referring diagnosis: evaluate for herniated disc
technique: multislice multiweighted, 1.5 Teslah
comparison: none
findings:
alignment: no subluxations, there is lumbar levoscoliosis
multilevel degenerative loss of dis aignal and height
vertebral bodies: no compression fractures
L5-S1: within normal limits
L4-5: disc bulge and broad posterior disc protrusion, facet arthrosis and
redundant ligamentum flava produce marked... 阅读全帖
k****z
发帖数: 1863
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http://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404041398973262860
http://weibo.com/xiaochuanguo?is_all=1
肖氏手术在美国四所大学医院临床应用全部成功
肖传国 2016-11-13 17:07:43 举报 阅读数:36923
肖氏手术治疗截瘫和脊柱裂脊膜膨出所致大小便失禁在中国首先研究成功并大规模应用
于病人后,近十年来美国的纽约大学医院、密西根贝蒙特大学医院、路易桑拿州立大学
医院、和南佛罗里达大学儿童医院先后相继开展肖氏手术临床病人应用研究,前三所均
获得成功,报告了与和肖氏手术中国结果基本接近的结果。
但南佛罗里达儿童医院团队由于没有基金支持其必须免费的临床研究,采取了骗取美国
儿童保险基金,用另一手术的名义支付肖氏手术所有费用,并为此设计了一个所谓肖氏
手术双盲研究,这不仅是非法骗取保险基金支付,同时严重违反医学研究伦理特别是涉
及外科手术的研究伦理【双盲研究主要限于非创伤性医学研究,如药品等,不能用于复
杂开放性手术,更不能用另一种结果因人而异的复杂大手术作为空白对照】,同时方法
学上... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Neuroscience版 - Reverse-engineer the brain
两年前,偶尔遇到做spinal cord neuron regeneration的大牛stephen g. waxman,
他说,从分子机理做成neuron regeneration,路漫漫遥遥无期而不可及。
我当时在听他的讲座,提出的问题就是,可不可以用电子模型电路的方式来人工修复
spinal cord受损的neuron? 从而使瘫痪病人恢复运动能力。当时Stephen看了我好几眼,
没说话,呵呵--因为如果这样做是最终可行的路的话,stephen老先生相当于做了很
长时间的无用功。
--现在看来,Terence Sanger做的正是这个东西啊。

好的,希望来拜访观摩你们的最新进展。
谢谢
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来自主题: Neuroscience版 - 意识产生于大脑的什么地方?
spinal cord是接收小脑的指令,然后指挥肌肉吧。
没了小脑,SPINAL CORD自己也能‘本能’地指挥四肢运动一会?
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Link:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/50-Memory-Foam-Body-Pillow/9713752
The 50" Memory Foam Body Pillow is designed to maintain spinal alignment
during sleep. This support pillow keeps your body in the right position and
posture in bed. It is a comfortable and firm pillow for side sleepers
especially. Made from visco-elastic memory foam, this pillow is non-
allergenic and anti-bacterial. The foam is manufactured with an advanced
technology system that makes it ideal for a healthier sleeping environme... 阅读全帖
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楼上文章的comments
Not yet but stay tuned. But a definite fact and you can review it in the FDA
's analysis in the briefing document is that there was no SS of astrocytomas
in male rats or female rats.
Dr. Alavi had concerns about how Arena calculated the exposure margin for
Lorcaserin, that is why it appeared in the CRL. When Arena met directly with
the FDA on December 15th and 16th at the FDA, both Arena and the FDA agreed
on the CSF methodology and the number of participants that would be
acceptab... 阅读全帖
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【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: goldenrain (金雨), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: 今年关门的startup 转载花街日报。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 14 03:01:20 2009, 美东)
MetaRAM Inc., a semiconductor company that boasted some high-profile
executives and investors, is shutting down, VentureWire reported.
The San Jose-based company had raised an undisclosed amount of funding
from Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Intel Capital, Khosla Ventures
and Storm Ventures.
MetaRAM
MetaRAM, which raised an $8 million Series A round in 2... 阅读全帖
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你说你是搞神经学科的,并称肖的那个就是个笑话。那么,美国医生用他的方法在他们
的preliminary data中显示7/9的病人,在用肖的方法后有效 (见下)。你懂肖的东西
吗?如懂,怎么解释这个效果,也怎么解释 NIH 给一美国医生RO1grant 来支持肖的手
术方法哪?美国医生也在做假?
AFETY AND EFFICACY OF NERVE REROUTING FOR TREATING NEUROGENIC BLADDER IN
SPINA B (1R01DK084034-01)
Abstract: DESCRIPTION (provided by applicant): Spina Bifida, a congenital
defect of the spinal cord, causes nerve damage and a loss of sensation and
muscle function below the waist resulting in bowel, bladder and sexual
dysfunction. Patients cannot uri
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I don't think any of the patients in China or US expected to be
治愈 by this procedure. No one is that stupid. I hope you are not
an exception.
It comes down to the game of how to interpret success rate.
For some, showing signs of improvement is a success in
patients with spinal cord injury.

愈,不是有效)。
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I think a fair evaluation of Xiao's work would be:
Are there other surgical procedures that can produce
the result of the Xiao procedure, 78% improvement.
If nothing else comes even close, Xiao work is quite remarkable.
It is quite a desperate situation for patients with spinal cord injury.
Z**S
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A natural interpretation for a successful surgical procedure
would be whether the patient showed any improvement, as long
as the patients were explained about the reality before
the procedure. Don't tell me the US doctors hoaxed these
patients in.
It would be absurd to expect complete recovery of simply
functions as a result of spinal cord injury from any surgical
procedure, especially one in its infancy. Can you list one here?
Xiao is stupid in the crime committed. But Fang is simply
barking to
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来自主题: ChinaNews版 - Xiao chuang-guo's reflex.
有人质疑这反射弧对排尿没有真正作用,说是“腹压排尿”。
http://www.sciencenet.cn/m/user_content.aspx?id=280348

know.
of
->
spinal
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来自主题: ChinaNews版 - Xiao chuang-guo's reflex.
I am not interested in involving in this. Just two points for those comments
listed in the sciencenet.cn
1), 切断了S2和S3神经前根 should not affect detrusor muscle. This muscle is
innervated by parasymathetic nerve. It is my understanding that Xiao's
procedure graft the nerve at the point before parasympathetic nerve joining
in the anterior root. The distance from outlet of spinal cord to the joint
point is about 10 center meter.
2), The abdominal pressure is a basic consideration. I think doctors in ... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: ChinaNews版 - 所谓刘菊花的抄袭问题
For Xiao case, now I have doubt for the conclusion made by Fang.
I'll wait and see.
For the reason why, please see the link I posted in another thread.
Edited op to add this link (seems Xiao is leading a team there. no guarantee whether the info is up-to-date):
http://www.beaumonthospitals.com/surgery-specializations-urolog
The research at Beaumont uses nerve rerouting to redirect nerves in the spinal cord to gain better control of urination. After the procedure, patients signal the bladder to u... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: ChinaNews版 - 所谓刘菊花的抄袭问题
这个医院说的和方舟子说的完全是两码事,一个是学术价值讨论,一个是新闻评论.....
打个比方:新闻联播说:“我国组装的xxx大型计算机为世界最快的计算机,填补xxx空
白”,而学术会议上,专家们讨论说“xxx大型计算机没有学术价值”。这两个就是风
马牛不相及的事。根本不是在就相同的点进行评论。

guarantee whether the info is up-to-date):
spinal cord to gain better control of urination. After the procedure,
patients signal the bladder to urinate by scratching or pinching their leg
or buttocks. The Chinese doctor who developed the surgery, Chuan-Guo Xiao, M
.D., reports an almost 90-percent success rate. The average time it took to
see result... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: ChinaNews版 - 方舟子打假的性质。 (转载)
你有什么证据表明方舟子在“本着新闻的真实性原则在实地调查”?须知方舟子和肖传
国有旧仇,也有interest conflict,就是要调查,是不是也应该有third party组织进
行?
其二,方舟子有进行这项工作所必需的知识技能么?须知调查研究也是做学问。怎么设
计,组织,抽样,都是学问。你以为方舟子的调查结果表格是有相关学问的样子吗?还
有,你前面帖子还提过“正常的话”,要有主治医师观察,这里有吗?再有,1500人的
群体选了74人,怎么选的?什么标准?有代表性吗?这诸多问题不清楚,结果的可信度
从何而来?
其三,把那个医院的人全去掉,还有十几人,包括我举出的多个名校有title的教授,
你说他们每个人都有interest conflict?
其四,治愈率是个什么意思?那是偷换概念。100%治愈,那可能吗?有明显促进作用已
经是很可观了。
其五,你不熟悉这方面,我也不熟悉。但是可以看一看EUROPEAN UROLOGY 5 9 ( 2 01
1 ) 1 6 8 – 1 7 5对肖实验的评价。下面是一个pdf的链接,我贴了其中的Expert's
summary部分。应该很清楚,该方... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Headline版 - 国际学术同仁声援肖传国
算了吧,你们这堆白痴就别在这上窜下跳了。 手术数据都是这样复杂,而且样本小,
没法做完美的数据统计。美国已经普遍多年的脊柱spinal fusion现在在庞大的数据下
证明长期是无效的,但美国政府照样付钱,医生照样做。现在最普通的白内障手术最初
被美国眼科学会专家组集体否定,后来发明者得了美国眼科学会终身成就奖
专家本来就是闲着没事干, 专门对同行指手画脚。 可是方呆子根本没有这专业背景,
就太可笑,太无耻了
c******n
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来自主题: Headline版 - 国际学术同仁声援肖传国
算了吧,你们这堆白痴就别在这上窜下跳了。 手术数据都是这样复杂,而且样本小,
没法做完美的数据统计。美国已经普遍多年的脊柱spinal fusion现在在庞大的数据下
证明长期是无效的,但美国政府照样付钱,医生照样做。现在最普通的白内障手术最初
被美国眼科学会专家组集体否定,后来发明者得了美国眼科学会终身成就奖
专家本来就是闲着没事干, 专门对同行指手画脚。 可是方呆子根本没有这专业背景,
就太可笑,太无耻了
s********x
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来自主题: Headline版 - 国际学术同仁声援肖传国
什么 "美国已经普遍多年的脊柱spinal fusion现在在庞大的数据下证明长期是无效的,
但美国政府照样付钱,医生照样做。现在最普通的白内障手术最初被美国眼科学会专家
组集体否定,后来发明者得了美国眼科学会终身成就奖专家本来就是闲着没事干, "
简直毫无常识。
这种特殊个案拿出来根本没有意义,有多少手术发明以后被发现是没有用的,又有几个
手术能通过最终检验流型于世?脑白质切除术还得了诺贝尔奖呢!现在是医学界的一大
耻辱。连同行专家的观点都不理睬,照你的观点,发明“打鸡血”的那个农村大夫也可
以得奖了?
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绕不过的年关,饶不过的年终总结。每到年底,众多上班族在期待年终奖的同时,都得先过一个关口:写年终总结。如何将琐碎的工作每年都写出新意,实在是考验上班族的难题。
“你们的年终总结都是怎么写的呀?”“愁死了,写不出总结怎么办?”“我们的总结要在会上当众宣读,写不好多丢人啊!”……近日,记者发现在一些论坛上,不少人开始为年终总结“纠结”。
那么,普通人的年终总结到底最终是怎么“搞定”的?这份总结写了到底有没有用呢?
中国式 个人总结
——一个售楼员的年终总结(节选)
销售工作如逆水行舟,不进则退。沉思回顾,这一年我作为销售部门员工,在公司领导的指导下和同事的合作中,我积累了很多的实践经验,同时也发现了自身的一些不足。现将一年来个人工作总结报告如下:
本人销售业绩统计及分析:1、2011年6月开盘期间,销售商品房5套:7月至今,销售商品房4套。累计总房款:4918259元。2、意向客户18批,成交9批。
自己也还存在一些需要改进之处:1.不够稳,容易被客户问题动摇,可能就会有点心虚。经验尚浅,仍需努力改进。2.有时对客户需求了解不够。
现在我已到××项目部来工作。我要争取更加完善自己,做到华夏... 阅读全帖
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http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_was_more_successful_Gupta_India_or_Han_China
I would say Gupta India was more successful because it had more
accomplishments:
mathematics; number system, concept of negative numbers, square root of two,
table of sines, computed value of pi
astronomy; identified 7 planets, determined planets and moon reflect sun's
light, understood earth's daily rotation on its axis, predicted eclipses,
theory of gravity, diameter of earth
medicine; understood importance of spinal
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原链接看不到了。

Beaumont "mixed."
with spina bifida. The three with spinal cord injuries were not helped by
the procedure. Seven of the nine with spina bifida saw "marked improvement."
One of them was a "home ru
eight of the nine with spina bifida. All had been able to walk before the
surgery. They often required intense physical therapy, Peters said, "just to
get them back to baseline.
still frustrating."
Parents are desperate for help, he said. But because of the unknowns, "if a
parent walked into m
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