k********y
发帖数: 84 | 1 Thanks for all the responses!
I'm 165 cm, and I would like to keep my weight at 110-112 lbs. I don't think
my waist has shrunk, in fact, I think it may have grown. The other night I
tried on a pair of pants that would fit on me pretty loosely when I was 110,
and it felt a little bit tighter than before. :-(
I know the law of physics should apply to me too, if I work out and watch my
food intake. It's just that the fact I'm still gaining weight 4 weeks into
the program is very defeating. I've nev... 阅读全帖 |
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 3 这次cut的总结
基本上保证每天的protein摄入
low 60
high 140
avg ~80g
从食物正常获取蛋白，不够的话吃去皮鸡胸肉和96% lean的牛肉，这一轮几乎没用过
蛋白粉
40多天，15 lb （开始状态是178 lb，考虑到 4lb的食物和水分，所以是从174-159来
计算）
平均每天卡路里摄入
1000~1200 （不运动）
2000+ （运动）
运动大概一周是300min的量，以网球登山为主
我基础代谢大概2200~2400 Cal，基本上每天target的net calories是负1000~1500
差不多每一周cheat一天（最多一天可以吃5000 Cal进去。。。）
从体脂评估来看，肌肉损失很小（这点很重要）
总结：
1。cut原则就是要快，所以每天负1000~1500我认为是必须的（基本上可以保证一周2~3
lb
的体重减少）
2。但是绝不能以损失肌肉为代价，所以要补充足够的蛋白质（建议我这个体重的男性
以100g/day 为目标）
3。运动以有氧为主，比较耗时（一周5小时以上），建议有身体条件并且赶时间的可以
尝试
HIIT （high ... 阅读全帖 |
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 4 trust me，真的开始大量breakdown肌肉的话，你尿里会有酮体的，我无聊自己试过
连着starvation很久，我自己都没测出来过
估计只有非洲难民或者战俘才能饿到那个水平
ps。我营养学，生物化，生理都修过专业课的。。。说话不忽悠。。。 |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 5 Because lawful hunting is good for the environment. If any of these animals
overpopulate they will either endanger other species or starve themselves to
death. Hunting is relatively more humane than starvation, as long as the
hunter does it right with the right equipment, and that's what we promote
here. If you eat meat, you should know that meat comes off of animals not
trees; we deliver just as much of a painless death as butchers do, so why
not kill them? |
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G***a
发帖数: 27294 | 6 Anorexia/Eating Disorders - Chewing/spitting & starvation mode questions
Dear Marisa,
The simple answer is that the calories absorbed from chewing
and spitting are negligible. Since food is not exposed to
digestive enzymes of the gastrointestinal tract, fats, proteins
and carbohydrates cannot be digested (broken down into small
pieces) and therefore not absorbed. In fact, only an invert sugar
like honey, which is predigested by the bee into glucose, could
be absorbed through the tongue and contr |
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n**m
发帖数: 7872 | 7 这个是建立在正常基础上，没有考虑到身体状况（starvation, over-train,
depression,
etc)。
mass |
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j******2
发帖数: 14 | 8 I stayed in plateau for 2 weeks. this week lost 1.8pounds, (I think) mainly
because I switched my exercise routine from jogging to aerobic dance and
pilates. You might want to change your exercise, or binge for 1 or 2 days
to move your body out of the "starvation/fat storage" mode, just my
suggestions. good luck!
the |
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s**********g
发帖数: 1578 | 9 她的总量都没有到1200, 怎么吃太多了.
绝食抗议starvation减肥法. =_= |
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J***n
发帖数: 210 | 10 Funny how you dodge the my question/doubts about you misleading statements
that people burn muscle before burn fats, by questioning wiki, by bringing
in related facts and then by stating you do not care.
I am just stating facts here. You burn fasts mostly in starvation. It is
facts. It does not matter if wiki also mentions it. It does not matter if
you care either.
about |
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 11 作为学术帝。。。我可以告诉您，人要on starvation 72hr才会开始动用脂肪。。。
换句话说，diet至少要连续坚持4天。。。
DIET |
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f****t
发帖数: 1770 | 12 Interesting. 这个DIET 很明确地反对让身体进入starvation mode.因为身体会降低新
成代谢率，会疯狂地储藏食物。所以三天后一定要恢复正常饮食四天以上才重新开始。
我最不赞成不健康减肥，所以想听听各方面的意见。 |
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Fitness 讨论区 】
发信人: anoia (high estrogen man), 信区: Fitness
标 题: Re: 6pack终于回来了。。。一部分。。。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 23 05:45:09 2011, 美东)
这次cut的总结
基本上保证每天的protein摄入
low 60
high 140
avg ~80g
从食物正常获取蛋白，不够的话吃去皮鸡胸肉和96% lean的牛肉，这一轮几乎没用过
蛋白粉
40多天，15 lb （开始状态是178 lb，考虑到 4lb的食物和水分，所以是从174-159来
计算）
平均每天卡路里摄入
1000~1200 （不运动）
2000+ （运动）
运动大概一周是300min的量，以网球登山为主
我基础代谢大概2200~2400 Cal，基本上每天target的net calories是负1000~1500
差不多每一周cheat一天（最多一天可以吃5000 Cal进去。。。）
从体脂评估来看，肌肉损失很小（这点很重要）
总结：
1。cut原则就是要快，所以每天负1000... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********1
发帖数: 4623 | 14 今天忙死了,都忘记吃饭的事了,也不怎么饿
我真的进入,starvation mode 了,虽然还是掉了份量的,可是不知道是不是全是水分,
昨天基本可以算没运动,休了一天感觉不错
今天走路也有力气了
天气太热了,空调开的太冷, 冻个透心凉,差点感冒
周围的人,还能再瘦点吗,真是的,全是瘦子,还让不让我活了! |
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P****0
发帖数: 366 | 15 MM你吃的好少啊。做好不要低于1000卡，否则身体会进入starvation mode. 好佩服你
。我每天都吃1000-1200cal 左右，低于那个量，我就坚持不了很久。 不过我减的慢， |
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 16 你再去查查？
“In early stages of starvation, when the last remnants of fat are oxidized,
heart and skeletal muscle will consume primarily ketone bodies to preserve
glucose for use by the brain.”
还看过有说heart muscle甚至prefer使用ketone bodies
ps，我是生化phd candidate |
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F********g
发帖数: 475 | 17 谢谢.
任务很艰巨，需要加大力度。
听说卡路里摄入太少会导致所谓的STARVATION MODE，引起新陈代谢降低。
这个下限大概是多少？ |
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s****e
发帖数: 1984 | 18 吃得太少了。身体进入starvation 状态，不会减下去了。只有存脂肪备荒。当然不排
除你那＂一些nuts＂估算有误。
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e******3
发帖数: 773 | 19 在版上学习，发现好多人吃的好少啊，不足1000卡这样。不是说吃的太少身体会进入
starvation mode，反而不利于减肥，也对健康不好吗？我现在吃的算是比自己平时少
（汗，以前不记录不知道，现在回头看估计平均能达到1800卡），三周多运动下来，体
重一点儿也没减，只是bf％在一路下降。现在很犹豫是否要更加限制饮食。请各位有经
验的给点意见吧！！ |
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m******i
发帖数: 9479 | 20 三文鱼热量确实是高，然后你确实也是吃得太少……
以你的身高体重，按理来说维持体重的热量应该每天是差不多1800，再加上运动的消耗
。你每天吃1200还勉强，还不掉称，难道这就是传说中的starvation mode？ |
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L******g
发帖数: 1038 | 21 也许吃的太少了？身体处于starvation mode了？ |
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G***a
发帖数: 27294 | 22 有网友@我，他的这篇微薄
@北大陈玉宇 ： [饥荒与明尼苏达饥饿试验]1959到1960年饿死1000万到5000万估计不
一。
对于饥荒中人们的表现，所知甚少。
1944年美国招募了免服兵役的百人做试验。饿半年，每天1500卡热量。
饥饿的人，出现抑郁症，歇斯底里，幻觉，自残，一个试验者吃掉自己三只手指。
请看biology of human starvation. 饥荒人相食可信
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我写道
/@屠龙的胭脂井: 陈老师，我不相信，１５００卡对于大多数人（除非是青春期男孩）
会引起任何病理学反应。1500卡相当于９。４３碗煮熟的米饭，或者１７个鸡蛋。
这个热量远不到饥荒标准。希望您认真检查数据。
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然后他@我，回答
这是实验的最长阶段，持续半年，每日1500千卡，叫做准挨饿状况，
随后8个星期严重的饥饿状态，分四组，四个不同水平，最低租几百卡吧。
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问大家：半年每天吃1500，然后8个星期，每天吃几百，能饿疯到吃掉自己手指头程度
吗... 阅读全帖 |
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e******3
发帖数: 773 | 23 bmi 18 还减，还这么急。。。
怀疑你的身体早都进入starvation mode了。同推荐看心理医生。 |
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B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 24 I see.
You are brave to post nude pictures here even without those private parts.
Orz.
Comment: Normal for a lady.
The extra fat is your protection from an ice age or starvation.
In my case, I do not need that extra energy source:
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d****u
发帖数: 134 | 25 蛋白质就是一个蛋和不到0.3磅的肉？这样够了吗？热量800也好低啊。myfitnesspal经
常跳出来提醒说不要进入starvation mod，不利减肥，是怎么回事？ |
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s****e
发帖数: 1984 | 26 这个运动量，吃得也太少了。没protein。身体多半进入starvation,存储脂肪还来不及
， 怎会减？我练Insanity/P90x减肥那会儿，每天平均要吃到1800cal,没低过1600，衣
服从十号减到四号。 楼主每天Insanity之外还跑五英里，更得多吃才行啊。 |
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r**c
发帖数: 1334 | 27 今天看到市场有卖的，又想了起来。大学时候看过一本野外生存的书，里面提到人如果
长期只吃兔肉，就会饿死，有个术语叫"Rabbit Starvation", 就是说兔肉的脂肪，卡
路里太低，虽然蛋白质高，但长期单一吃会身体虚弱生病乃至死亡，必须补充碳水和脂
肪。
如果你喜欢吃肉，尤其在夏天怕胖，兔肉是最好的选择。你可以google 一下英文资料
，兔肉的蛋白质超过其他肉类，但是脂肪，sodium, 胆固醇都低于其他肉。绝对是肉中
之素。 |
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p*********l
发帖数: 26270 | 28 只吃蛋白质，缺乏别的营养, 恶劣的环境... 这种日子多难过啊！
"Rabbit starvation, also referred to as protein poisoning or mal de caribou,
is a form of acute malnutrition caused by excess consumption of any lean
meat (e.g., rabbit) coupled with a lack of other sources of nutrients
usually in combination with other stressors, such as severe cold or dry
environment. Symptoms include diarrhea, headache, fatigue, low blood
pressure and heart rate, and a vague discomfort and hunger that can only be
satisfied by consumption of fa... 阅读全帖 |
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m*m
发帖数: 368 | 29 股沟starvation mode. 好像要吃低于基础代谢所需能量的５０%才会。一般吃个1000-
1200千卡不会吧 |
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G***a
发帖数: 27294 | 30 她是美食博主，这样也无所谓了。北大的陈玉宇，教授一个，也信口开河。我在微薄上
一质疑他，看没看过＂原文＂，他自己吓得萎了，把和我拧了几句，后来发现我真看书
比他多，自己删微薄跑了。
事情前因后过我写过。 有网友@我，他的这篇微薄
@北大陈玉宇 ： [饥荒与明尼苏达饥饿试验]1959到1960年饿死1000万到5000万估计不
一。
对于饥荒中人们的表现，所知甚少。
1944年美国招募了免服兵役的百人做试验。饿半年，每天1500卡热量。
饥饿的人，出现抑郁症，歇斯底里，幻觉，自残，一个试验者吃掉自己三只手指。
请看biology of human starvation. 饥荒人相食可信
-----------------
我写道
/@屠龙的胭脂井: 陈老师，我不相信，１５００卡对于大多数人（除非是青春期男孩）
会引起任何病理学反应。1500卡相当于９。４３碗煮熟的米饭，或者１７个鸡蛋。
这个热量远不到饥荒标准。希望您认真检查数据。
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然后他@我，回答
这是实验的最长阶段，持续半年，每日1500千卡，叫做准挨饿状况，
随后8个星期严重的饥... 阅读全帖 |
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b****i
发帖数: 11322 | 31 不用说这么花哨，你既然天天拜读苏苏的大作，不会不知道一味少吃没用吧？我没看错
的话你每天也就800-1000卡吧？你进入starvation mode了，代谢降的非常低了。。。
除非你真能绝食，不然还是吃吧！嗯我对你还有力气跑步表示惊叹，可是显然你的大脑
已经在protest了。。。或者干脆每天只吃500卡，坐着不动，保证瘦。。。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.7 |
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s*******t
发帖数: 7746 | 32 同惊叹！吃这么少还跑的动。
前面有人贴个科普贴，有data说明吃800卡和400卡减肥效果一样呢，身体进入了
starvation mode了。
试试改变饮食结构和运动方式吧 |
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p*********l
发帖数: 26270 | 33 是的，４００和８００差别不大
不过，也有文章说starvation mode被夸大了，就是我昨天转的那篇 |
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t***k
发帖数: 610 | 34 go to gym too many times scares his body into starvation mode and his body
stores fat more..................... |
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S****a
发帖数: 2568 | 35 蟹黄这便宜捡的
i wish he died of starvation there. |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 36 刚去飞班晃了一下， 看到这个：
“Taking protein powder in excess, releases calcium in the blood. This calci
um gets deposited in the kidneys and results in kidney malfunction, and may
sometimes leads to the formation of kidney stones too. The body may develop
ketosis. Ketosis is a condition of chronic starvation caused in the human bo
dy, due to lack of carbohydrates. Ketosis can be very detrimental to the kid
neys. ”
看来吃太多， 还是会有影响的。。。 |
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t*******f
发帖数: 2634 | 37 In order to get starvation for annual physical blood
drawn on Monday, I had a buffet on Saturday. On Sunday,
I had lots of fish for lunch, but did not eat much for
Sunday dinner.
Am I getting 乳白色血浆 for the Monday blood? Could it be
that my blood tests go bad? |
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a*******d
发帖数: 3690 | 38 贴个看到的：
When reducing calories:
Try not to lower your calorie intake by more than 1000 calories below
maintenance. Doing so may invoke the bodies starvation response, which can
lead to the Yo-yo dieting effect.
Try to gradually lower calories. A sudden drop (such as 500 calories or more
) can cause your metabolism to slow. |
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j**n
发帖数: 13789 | 39 We may as well get this out into the open right away. Don't pin your hopes
on a Virgo man if your heart is hungry for romantic dreams and fairy tales,
or you'll find yourself on a starvation diet. A love affair with a Virgo
will dump a warm sentimentalist on the cold ground with a hard thud, and it
can hurt.
This man lives almost entirely on a practical, material level, and he has
little use for the abstractions of storybook romance. Of course, the whole
problem may be academic anyway, since it ... 阅读全帖 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 40 http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/spay-neuter.html
http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/spay.html
A well-meaning, if naive, person might think it's a simple matter to find
homes for those babies born so that a female rabbit could be bred "just once
" or "so the kids can witness the miracle of birth" (For a balanced view, be
sure to take the kids on a field trip to the local animal shelter's
euthanasia rooms so they can also witness the "miracle of death".).
Finding a safe forever home for a rabbit is ... 阅读全帖 |
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m**h
发帖数: 207 | 41 【 以下文字转载自 SanDiego 讨论区 】
发信人: mech (_8-(|), 信区: SanDiego
标 题: the third dead bird
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 17 00:39:13 2013, 美东)
this is the third dead bird found in our tiny yard in less than 3 years,
wound? starvation? dehydration? poisoned?
the humming birds are living strong even though they may need to eat half
their body weight food every day.
humming bird is also fearless so i could be this close to him |
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p********8
发帖数: 1712 | 42 你确定你地里的虫子是rootworm?
网上找到这篇
http://ento.psu.edu/extension/factsheets/corn-rootworm
在Management Strategies里说，rootworm是无法在阔叶植物的根上活下去的。按说，
对南瓜，zucchini没害啊。
In the larval stage, neither rootworm species is known to survive on
broadleaf plants. When corn is rotated to alfalfa, red clover, soybeans, or
any other legume, the majority of rootworm larvae die from starvation within
one year. |
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wh
发帖数: 141625 | 43 http://web.mit.edu/mskilic/www/turkeyname.html
The Story of How the Unofficial Bird of the United States Got Named After a
Middle Eastern Country
(by Giancarlo Casale)
How did the turkey get its name? This seemingly harmless question popped
into my head one morning as I realized that the holidays were once again
upon us. After all, I thought, there's nothing more American than a turkey.
Their meat saved the pilgrims from starvation during their first winter in
New England. Out of gratitude, if y |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 44 来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 血染的风采 My dad once visited that prison on his trip to Vietnam. He also told me the
brain drilling part. However, it's not done by the machine. He told me it
was done just by those guards using bricks as I remember.
I guess the 2 M deaths are probably mostly due to the starvation and lack of
medicines, which is similar with the 3 years hardship in China. Still, 20 K
political prisoners killed in that prison really show the cruelty of the
communist party there.
Those paintings are very very powerful. Tho... 阅读全帖 |
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z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 45 medium starvation确实健康长寿。 |
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P****e
发帖数: 389 | 46 来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 大苏尔游记 //旧文一篇，是前年用英文写着玩儿的。感谢夏安mm推荐我上次Yosemite的文给一个旅
游专栏的编辑。后来因为Yosemite有人写了，编辑问我还有没有别的游记，于是就自己
翻译了这篇。
//应Bos要求，把原文附在后面。中间还有一段关于Bohemian的胡言乱语，发给编辑的
时候觉得跑题太远，自己删掉了。。。
去年十二月真是湿冷。接连五日的暴雨终于过去时，我们的房子已赫然被一汪小小的池
沼环绕。前院的西红柿淹死了，拖着湿淋淋的黑叶子；猫们一动不动地挤在阴湿的窝里
，对着一面被雨水洗褪了色的红墙发呆。整个圣芭芭拉城都糊在雨里，仿佛一幅打湿了
的水彩——天空的铅灰、大海的苍白、瓦屋顶的酡红、路边灌木的深绿相互侵染，使每
一种颜色都愈加阴暗。
直至月晦，天始转晴。困在家中这么多天，眼看新年将至，我想我太需要一次远行了。
于是我们就出发。新历的除夕早晨，我们跳上车，沿着北1号高速公路驶去。这一趟来
去共花了十来个小时，经过北加州沿海的大苏尔地区（Big Sur），目的地是一个夹在
太平洋弯曲的海岸线与大苏尔巍峨群峰之间的小城。它有一个有趣的名字，“海边的卡
梅尔”(Carmel-by-th... 阅读全帖 |
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b*s
发帖数: 82482 | 47 remember: trolls feed on attention. starvation is the best way.
囡囡，一大早的，别给自己添堵了。知道是熊，就算了，呵呵。早饭吃了么？今天还上
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 48 第二首歌
来自The cleaners from venus
night starvation
非常的多情好听
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANLBIp9s-3c
The most extensive of singer/songwriter Martin Newell's various projects,
Cleaners from Venus recorded some of the finest -- and most neglected --
British pop/rock of the 1980s. Its failure to find a wider audience is due
at least in part to its unconventional method of distribution. After a short
, bitter experience in the music business recording for a large label,
Newell retreated to his home st... 阅读全帖 |
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l**a
发帖数: 5175 | 49 Her struggles with illness and death are believed to have affected his
poetry and prose, where dying young women appear as a frequent motif, as in
"Annabel Lee", "The Raven", and "Ligeia".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Eliza_Clemm_Poe
Virginia Eliza Clemm Poe (née Clemm; August 15, 1822 – January 30, 1847)
was the wife of American writer Edgar Allan Poe. The couple were first
cousins and married when Virginia Clemm was 13 and Poe was 27. Some
biographers have suggested that the couple's ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 11067 | 50 闷头工作了一个星期，终于可以给版庆写点什么了。深情款款本来是我的常用招数，但
是亦然“崔颢题诗在上头”了。为了对得起XIXI,大鱼，问号，还有各位水车，我努力
憋了这么一篇，不是自己的风格，半中半英、半颂半诗（都是AUO闹的）。 另外，一直
想对西西说，真的不知道该怎么拍你的马屁，但是，对于我来说，你是雷版最特别的你
，最美丽的你有最善解人意的心，有最善心的你还有最清新的文笔，不能再说了，再说
下去人家会说我们搞基。
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《闲暇颂》
1935年大英帝国的一声炮响，给我们送来了罗素的《闲暇颂》(In Praise of Idlness)
。在这本历史性的伟大著作中，罗素用他的滔滔雄辩证明了：
雷，是生命之花
雷，是青春之泉
雷，是思想的翅膀
雷，是人类文明的源泉
如同
只挣钱不花钱是耻辱的
只工作不雷也是浪费生命
美化工作贬低雷
是奴隶主的阴谋
因为奴隶主目标是
你工作 他雷
所以让我在这里怒吼：
“砸碎工作狂的思想锁链
释放雷的力量
让雷于这人世间
来得更猛烈些吧！”
原文：
http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle... 阅读全帖 |
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