a**********y
发帖数: 930 | 1 If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
LT100 is doable with some training? |
s******p
发帖数: 819 | 2 Try hike Hope Pass once and ask yourself this question again.
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 3 Never hiked in the high mountains, have you? The typical hiking speed in the
high rockies is 1-2 miles per hour, and that is not "easy" hiking.
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
d*********6
发帖数: 6115 | 4 hiking? NO WAY!!!!
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
g********s
发帖数: 1969 | 5 pay attention to the altitude change
you will get it
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 6 how long have you hiked before?
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
d*********6
发帖数: 6115 | 7 如果真的是hiking的强度，我应该非常非常非常后悔没有去了。
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
t****n
发帖数: 1347 | 8
I hiked fifteen 14ers in Colorado, my average round-trip speed on a class 1
or easy class 2 route is 1.5 to 2.0 mph. My marathon speed is 6.8mph for
comparison.
Of course LT100 is not a 14er route, but it gets close to that in several
sections.
On what kind of typical hiking trail do you get your easy 3mph pace?
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
s******p
发帖数: 819 | 9 wow, that's really cool.
i saw one of those tshirts with all the 14ers in CO pinted at the back. will
definitely buy one after i summit one.
1
【在 t****n 的大作中提到】
:
: I hiked fifteen 14ers in Colorado, my average round-trip speed on a class 1
: or easy class 2 route is 1.5 to 2.0 mph. My marathon speed is 6.8mph for
: comparison.
: Of course LT100 is not a 14er route, but it gets close to that in several
: sections.
: On what kind of typical hiking trail do you get your easy 3mph pace?
|
v****a
发帖数: 389 | 10 就算是最容易的trail，连续hiking 20多小时和10多小时想比，有着本质的不同。不信
可以自己试试。
1
【在 t****n 的大作中提到】
:
: I hiked fifteen 14ers in Colorado, my average round-trip speed on a class 1
: or easy class 2 route is 1.5 to 2.0 mph. My marathon speed is 6.8mph for
: comparison.
: Of course LT100 is not a 14er route, but it gets close to that in several
: sections.
: On what kind of typical hiking trail do you get your easy 3mph pace?
|
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w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 11 lt100肯定不行，估计低海拔，没有什么技术的普通trail，没有太多爬升，天不冷不热
，本身的意志够坚强，估计30个小时可以跑100迈 |
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 12 好好训练的话， 30小时内完成应该是doable的， 当然， 肯定不会容易。。。
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 13 这俩兽， 一个在山上呆了一个月， 一个用altitude tent加100迈/周的
训练， 都还是付出了很多的。。。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 好好训练的话， 30小时内完成应该是doable的， 当然， 肯定不会容易。。。
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 14 意淫这个之前先把马拉松跑跑，这至少顶连续跑7个普通马拉松的强度了。
别18迈的墙都没撞过就把100迈看的那么容易。
If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
cover 3.3-3.4 mi........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 7.20 - iPad Lite
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 15 意淫都不让。。
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 意淫这个之前先把马拉松跑跑，这至少顶连续跑7个普通马拉松的强度了。
: 别18迈的墙都没撞过就把100迈看的那么容易。
:
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 mi........
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 7.20 - iPad Lite
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 16 按那个比赛的List， LT100是103%，一般的Road Marathon 只应该有13%。就是相
当于8个全马。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 意淫都不让。。
|
w*****3
发帖数: 1582 | 17 lt100, 100+miles, 爬升/降 6000米，
mount whitney trail 往返 22miles, 爬升/降2000米，海拔稍高一些，难度比lt100稍
大一些
如果要30小时完成lt100，估计hike mount whitney trail 往返需要6个小时, 这是非
常难的。
一般人都需要12+小时hike完mount whitney. |
b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 18 这13%说的是时间。
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: 按那个比赛的List， LT100是103%，一般的Road Marathon 只应该有13%。就是相
: 当于8个全马。
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 19 连跑7个马拉松太夸张了， 7个马拉松是183.4mi, 就算全用10分的
pace跑，也要连跑30小时，这个难度还是大太多了。。。
毕竟马拉松不光比距离，还比速度， 只能说是不同的类别，没啥好
比的。。
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 意淫这个之前先把马拉松跑跑，这至少顶连续跑7个普通马拉松的强度了。
: 别18迈的墙都没撞过就把100迈看的那么容易。
:
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 mi........
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 7.20 - iPad Lite
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 20 普通人不训练， 肯定没戏， 他俩都经过长时间高强度的训练了的。。。
而且他们10K都在37分多， 这个就已经不是普通人随便能做到的了。。。
【在 w*****3 的大作中提到】
: lt100, 100+miles, 爬升/降 6000米，
: mount whitney trail 往返 22miles, 爬升/降2000米，海拔稍高一些，难度比lt100稍
: 大一些
: 如果要30小时完成lt100，估计hike mount whitney trail 往返需要6个小时, 这是非
: 常难的。
: 一般人都需要12+小时hike完mount whitney.
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a**********y
发帖数: 930 | 21 I haven't hike in high altitude before, only some day hike. Just out of
curiosity, from reading LT100's report, if he maintain a 3.5 mile average
pace, never run in ascend, slow down in descend...
Of course, one needs training to even walk fast for 30 hours. I just want to
know what it takes in training to finish LT 100 in 30 hours |
i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 22 easy to figure that one out, just sign up for LT100 2012! there you go!
to
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I haven't hike in high altitude before, only some day hike. Just out of
: curiosity, from reading LT100's report, if he maintain a 3.5 mile average
: pace, never run in ascend, slow down in descend...
: Of course, one needs training to even walk fast for 30 hours. I just want to
: know what it takes in training to finish LT 100 in 30 hours
|
p***c
发帖数: 5202 | 23 我觉得普通人肯定得好好训练。他俩已经超牛了。我在峨眉山上都觉得喘气困难，这种
跑步想都不敢想
to
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I haven't hike in high altitude before, only some day hike. Just out of
: curiosity, from reading LT100's report, if he maintain a 3.5 mile average
: pace, never run in ascend, slow down in descend...
: Of course, one needs training to even walk fast for 30 hours. I just want to
: know what it takes in training to finish LT 100 in 30 hours
|
i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 24 可惜当年读书时没多去爬几座大山，上3000米的就去过峨眉山（金顶 海拔3077米）和
西岭雪山（红石尖 海拔3312米）。当时好像感觉不太大，呼吸稍微费劲一点儿。
【在 p***c 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得普通人肯定得好好训练。他俩已经超牛了。我在峨眉山上都觉得喘气困难，这种
: 跑步想都不敢想
:
: to
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M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 25
hiking有很多种不同的trail，差距大了，还有海拔的影响
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: If one simply want to finish them before the cutoff time, he/she has to
: cover 3.3-3.4 miles per hour.
: In a typical hiking, 3 mile per hour is a very easy pace.
: So, can I say if I pace smartly and run/walk at an even pace, finishing
: LT100 is doable with some training?
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 26 恩,珠穆朗玛也才香山的几倍高,爬上去花的时间可不是几倍.
hiking有很多种不同的trail，差距大了，还有海拔的影响
【在 M**u 的大作中提到】
:
: hiking有很多种不同的trail，差距大了，还有海拔的影响
|
M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 27 小时候去黄山，走到莲花峰就不行了，最后没有爬天都峰，郁闷啊。。。
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 可惜当年读书时没多去爬几座大山，上3000米的就去过峨眉山（金顶 海拔3077米）和
: 西岭雪山（红石尖 海拔3312米）。当时好像感觉不太大，呼吸稍微费劲一点儿。
|
p***c
发帖数: 5202 | 28 听说有的人红细胞白细胞黄细胞whatever细胞很多高原上稍微好些，所以不但是本市体
质dna有关系，更何况还得苦练，所以这个LT100我看很难 |
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 29 "technical" = "rocks".
The rocks slows you down much more than altitude or hills do.
Road runners often dismiss trail ultras as not real running - afterall, how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
most road runners have never run on a technical trail and on the mountains. If they do, they will know what it
feels like to to "run" as hard as you can and still managing only 15 minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
2:40 marathoner Scott Jurek would smoke 2:03 marathoner Haile Gebrelassie on a technical 50-mile run.
【在 p***c 的大作中提到】
: 听说有的人红细胞白细胞黄细胞whatever细胞很多高原上稍微好些，所以不但是本市体
: 质dna有关系，更何况还得苦练，所以这个LT100我看很难
|
a**********y
发帖数: 930 | 30 I know, but for most people, ultra is just to finish before the cutoff, not
like in Marathon, to set a PR.
Of course, I am talking about very rookie type. If I ever run an ultra at LT
or WS level, it would be my once in a lifetime trial.
So in comparison, finishing a 100m ultra, vs sub 3 hour marathon, the first
seems more likely to achieve.
how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
. If they do, they will know what it
minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
on a technical 50-mile run.
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: "technical" = "rocks".
: The rocks slows you down much more than altitude or hills do.
: Road runners often dismiss trail ultras as not real running - afterall, how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
: most road runners have never run on a technical trail and on the mountains. If they do, they will know what it
: feels like to to "run" as hard as you can and still managing only 15 minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
: 2:40 marathoner Scott Jurek would smoke 2:03 marathoner Haile Gebrelassie on a technical 50-mile run.
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M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 31 对于普通人来说，都很难......
not
LT
first
mountains
Gebrelassie
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I know, but for most people, ultra is just to finish before the cutoff, not
: like in Marathon, to set a PR.
: Of course, I am talking about very rookie type. If I ever run an ultra at LT
: or WS level, it would be my once in a lifetime trial.
: So in comparison, finishing a 100m ultra, vs sub 3 hour marathon, the first
: seems more likely to achieve.
:
: how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
: . If they do, they will know what it
: minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 32 手淫强身，意淫强国
not
LT
first
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I know, but for most people, ultra is just to finish before the cutoff, not
: like in Marathon, to set a PR.
: Of course, I am talking about very rookie type. If I ever run an ultra at LT
: or WS level, it would be my once in a lifetime trial.
: So in comparison, finishing a 100m ultra, vs sub 3 hour marathon, the first
: seems more likely to achieve.
:
: how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
: . If they do, they will know what it
: minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
|
M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 33
http://www.ultraroc.com/
这个race咋样？有人跑过吗？
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 手淫强身，意淫强国
:
: not
: LT
: first
|
o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 34 强烈鼓励你们去跑.呵呵
我现在还搞不定这么长的距离.对26.5以上的距离还是unknown.
【在 M**u 的大作中提到】
:
: http://www.ultraroc.com/
: 这个race咋样？有人跑过吗？
|
M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 35
这个有50k和半马啊
不过那天正好有ragnar relay，郁闷啊，我看这个好多elite
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 强烈鼓励你们去跑.呵呵
: 我现在还搞不定这么长的距离.对26.5以上的距离还是unknown.
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L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 36 To finish Rocky Raccoon 100 in under 30 hours is definitely easier than a 3-
hour marathon. To finish Hardrock 100 in under 30 hours is definitely harder
than a 3-hour marathon. (I'm implicitly assuming that one trains
specifically for the race.)
The thing about TRAIL ultra is that every race is different. Just because
they are of the same distance (100 mi) doesn't mean that they are of the
same difficulty.
first
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I know, but for most people, ultra is just to finish before the cutoff, not
: like in Marathon, to set a PR.
: Of course, I am talking about very rookie type. If I ever run an ultra at LT
: or WS level, it would be my once in a lifetime trial.
: So in comparison, finishing a 100m ultra, vs sub 3 hour marathon, the first
: seems more likely to achieve.
:
: how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
: . If they do, they will know what it
: minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
|
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 37 要有idea，还是得自己试试
就像刚开始跑步觉得12分pace提到10分很容易，那么到8分也不是很难嘛
可是现在也还是只能比10分快一点点。
你觉得3.5mph hiking也不难嘛，就从这个做起，加长距离好了
至于能不能在30h内完成LT100，看你愿意付出多少了。
bottom line，愿意去试，去努力，才有这个可能。and it won't be easy.
to
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I haven't hike in high altitude before, only some day hike. Just out of
: curiosity, from reading LT100's report, if he maintain a 3.5 mile average
: pace, never run in ascend, slow down in descend...
: Of course, one needs training to even walk fast for 30 hours. I just want to
: know what it takes in training to finish LT 100 in 30 hours
|
a**********y
发帖数: 930 | 38 I see, you are right. But hard rock cutoff time is 48 hour. I guess the
ultra is much less crowded than marathon, so the hurdle for finisher
currently is not set too high. However, 100 mile ultra at any level is
pretty daunting to me even thinking about it :)
3-
harder
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: To finish Rocky Raccoon 100 in under 30 hours is definitely easier than a 3-
: hour marathon. To finish Hardrock 100 in under 30 hours is definitely harder
: than a 3-hour marathon. (I'm implicitly assuming that one trains
: specifically for the race.)
: The thing about TRAIL ultra is that every race is different. Just because
: they are of the same distance (100 mi) doesn't mean that they are of the
: same difficulty.
:
: first
|
a**********y
发帖数: 930 | 39 It might be a long term goal for me, currently, I am still a fat guy need to
lose a lot of weight :)
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 要有idea，还是得自己试试
: 就像刚开始跑步觉得12分pace提到10分很容易，那么到8分也不是很难嘛
: 可是现在也还是只能比10分快一点点。
: 你觉得3.5mph hiking也不难嘛，就从这个做起，加长距离好了
: 至于能不能在30h内完成LT100，看你愿意付出多少了。
: bottom line，愿意去试，去努力，才有这个可能。and it won't be easy.
:
: to
|
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 40 No. The cut for the ultra is MUCH higher than in marathons. The reason is
because many people want to run famous ultra races, but the race organizers
do not want too many participants, in order to protect the trail, and for
the fact that many sections of the trail are so narrow that they only allow
one person to pass at a time.
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I see, you are right. But hard rock cutoff time is 48 hour. I guess the
: ultra is much less crowded than marathon, so the hurdle for finisher
: currently is not set too high. However, 100 mile ultra at any level is
: pretty daunting to me even thinking about it :)
:
: 3-
: harder
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 41 我觉得50迈以上的距离就已经是另外一个类别的了， 不要说trail的难度,
哪怕就是24小时绕圈跑， Scott Jurek击败 Haile 也跟玩儿一样。。。
就好像1000m跑选手和百米跑选手， 没太大可比性。。。
how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
. If they do, they will know what it
minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
on a technical 50-mile run.
【在 L***0 的大作中提到】
: "technical" = "rocks".
: The rocks slows you down much more than altitude or hills do.
: Road runners often dismiss trail ultras as not real running - afterall, how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
: most road runners have never run on a technical trail and on the mountains. If they do, they will know what it
: feels like to to "run" as hard as you can and still managing only 15 minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
: 2:40 marathoner Scott Jurek would smoke 2:03 marathoner Haile Gebrelassie on a technical 50-mile run.
|
a**********y
发帖数: 930 | 42 I don't think so in flat course. Haile can beat Scott easily in any distance
as long as it is flat. Frankly, because of the money involved, the level of
eliteness is much higher in Marathon or shorter distance.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得50迈以上的距离就已经是另外一个类别的了， 不要说trail的难度,
: 哪怕就是24小时绕圈跑， Scott Jurek击败 Haile 也跟玩儿一样。。。
: 就好像1000m跑选手和百米跑选手， 没太大可比性。。。
:
: how is 3.5mph or 4mph running? But
: . If they do, they will know what it
: minutes per mile. I can guarantee you that
: on a technical 50-mile run.
|
t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 43 chitchat is cheap
"shut up and run"
hahaha |
L***0
发帖数: 1283 | 44 Of course, Haile posses superior athleticism, and if he is given two years
to train on trails, he could break all sorts of trail ultra records. But
that would not be a fair comparison. I think on a 50-mile road course (I
didn't say "flat", I said "road" as opposed to "trail"), Haile would beat
Jurek easily. But in a 24-hour race, even on the road, Jurek would give
Haile a run for his money. At that kind of time scale, one's performance
largely depends on his body's ability to process food while running. Those
who have not trained for it would likely throw up everything they eat
towards the end.
distance
of
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: I don't think so in flat course. Haile can beat Scott easily in any distance
: as long as it is flat. Frankly, because of the money involved, the level of
: eliteness is much higher in Marathon or shorter distance.
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M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 45 应该是
shut the fuck up and run...
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: chitchat is cheap
: "shut up and run"
: hahaha
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 46 小心被人举报，我在车版就被告过（我说的跟你一样，只是把run换成了ride）。
【在 M**u 的大作中提到】
: 应该是
: shut the fuck up and run...
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 47 精辟！
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 手淫强身，意淫强国
:
: not
: LT
: first
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